Team Energy de Canada – and ENB – We create North America Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries – NOPEC

We have an absolute blast talking with Heidi McKillop, President, and CEO at ASN Productions, and Terry Etam, Author, and world energy expert. -During this podcast we create NOPEC. The energy answer – Have NOPEC the Canada, United States, and Mexico oil and gas trading organization. If we bonded together as three neighboring countries should, we would actually be a powerful energy trading block and a solution to the energy crisis in our countries.

This is about protecting the Dispraportinally Impacted Communities and Countries. Energy policies should account for the people in all neighborhoods rather than a few select groups.

Heidi is a movie director, producer, actress, and Terry is the author of “The End of Fossil Fuel Insanity” a world-renowned grumpy energy expert.

We cover Canadian politics and why the energy crisis is coming home to the US and Canada.

Terry Etam is an author and contributor to the BOE report. It has been fabulous getting to know Terry and hearing his story about the less fortunate in African countries reaching out to talk about his book.  Terry Etam’s LinkedIn. 

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Heidi McKillop directed “A Stranded Nation” and has just recently started her own movie company. Please connect with Heidi for outstanding video productions.

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Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:00:00] Hello, everybody. Today is probably one of my most favorite days of the entire month, and that is our special Canadian edition with the wondrous and unbelievable movie McGillis. And that is Heidi, McKellar and Heidi. We’re going to talk about your new video and new movie. It is simit cinematography. Wonderful, as we would say in Texas. And man, you did a great job. Welcome, Heidi.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:00:31] Thank you so much. I’m so happy. You liked it.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:00:34] Oh, it is fabulous. In fact, I’ve already stolen it and sold commercials. I cut it up. So there it is. Some great stuff. There was great. And then we also have Terry and Terry is the grumpiness out of this group and Terry,

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:00:49] Beauty and the Beast. That’s all you got today. The white beauty and the Beast. That’s what you got today.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:00:54] Oh, you bet. And I’m dopey out of the, you know, Heidi Sleeping Beauty. You’re probably dopey. So Terry wrote the book The End of the Fossil Fuel and Insanity, and I have to tell all of our listeners. Last time I said, Oh, by the way, I got a signed copy from Terry, and Terry signed it. You are the best podcast host in the industry. Grumpy, Terry, you know. And Heidi, I thought you were about to follow. I said I had to sign my own copy of the book from Dairy, and I highly recommend everybody go out and buy this. But you got to sign your own copy because he’s too grumpy to even try to do anything with it.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:01:39] I like my copy sign. I don’t know what you’re talking about. Maybe you just year. I’m pretty sure

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:01:45] I must have been really drunk at a drug signing or something because I don’t remember

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:01:48] that, but

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:01:49] you just need some patio gear.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:01:52] We still got to do that. Guys, I got to get out there and we have to make fun of all of the people that are walking by, throw stuff at them, want them to talk about everything, but let’s go ahead and start. We got two sections of this. We want to get Heidi’s movie covered as well, but we also want to stir grumpy up, Terry. We got to get you all fired up about some of the politics and other things that have been going on. You are nice and calm. You got your nice cup of coffee in the road and we’re going to tell you, I mean, laughter. Yeah. Yeah, we’re going to lob a horrible question. What’s working you up on the Canada politics going on up there?

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:02:36] Well, Heidi can talk about politics first because, yeah, that’ll work me out for sure.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:02:39] Yeah, yeah, that’s true. I mean, it gets bigger. So there’s that. There’s always something going on, that’s for sure. But as you said, like my new movie, I just really sits on the reclamation liabilities. So how do you address the liability problem in Alberta, which is close to a $70 million estimated $70 billion problem? And right now, it’s it’s really fascinating because a lot of policies that have been put through, they’re either making small companies, small producers go bankrupt, which in turn affect the service sector, which in turn affects restaurants in our climate and everything like that. But one of my biggest concerns really is that when they when they go bankrupt, these liabilities go into the 0W, which is the Orphan Well association, and they that it basically just lives there, so they don’t really know how to solve this problem. So what this new program that we’re proposing and lobbying the government right now is that it works as a royalty incentive program. So just like our oilsands programs are up your royalty incentive, they go up to the higher royalties once they accumulate a little bit more revenue. And that’s exactly what we want to see for the liability problem address because we want it. We want these wells to be cleaned up that we’re born in the 60s and 70s that made Canada Canada and put it on the map and gave us all the wealth and prosperity that is our legacy. But yet we have to honor that because the reclamation and the standards of environment were very different in the 60s and 70s. And now the burden onto these small producers that have been passed down from one sale to the next and not to call out certain oil or gas companies, but the bigger hitters in Canada packaged them up with their liabilities, along with good producing assets, and then they let it go through. And that’s not really is a concern because that makes these smaller guys that employ a lot of people in downtown Calgary and all across Alberta. They’re the primary employees, employers, sorry versus the big, heavy hitters. So it’s really fascinating. We want to be able to work together as an industry and come together with the solution and and make a change.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:04:47] You know, I thought it was really fascinating on some of these. Not only do you do some Terry isms or groupie isms and pointing out the problem, you come up with solutions in this the. In one of the wells was drilled by Shell, I believe, was 1960 after 1953, and then it was bought by some former Fern Group. Again, it was out of Europe or something, and they didn’t do anything to fix it. And then so here’s this poor farmer sitting there.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:05:19] Well, it was actually from China that it’s owned by China, and that’s exactly it. I mean, how how are we going to keep as Canadians, these foreign companies accountable for cleaning up these well sites? And that particular flair pit was about a million dollar estimated million dollar liability. So that’s a lot to ask any company, but certainly a foreign company. We’re not going to see that I’m touching Canada. Like, why would they bother even trying? Because it’s not in their backyard? Whereas who I’m really focused on is the Canadian small Canadian producers. So there’s a ton of them that’ll refer. In particular, they’re a big proponent of this whole program, and they’ve helped me out a lot. And there’s a lot of smaller companies like that, and we really, really need to again, listen to the CEOs that are running these small organizations and and really listening to the problems on their books and how to how do they make a little bit of money and also fix the problem at the same time?

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:06:16] And there are ways to whittle it into shape, but like they are stars, one excellent program and there’s there’s other ways too. There’s the government put in something called the area based closure program a few years ago where you just kind of a pooling of resources and brainpower for a certain area and you tackle an area at a time. And that has a lot of benefits because then there’s some cross-pollination of ideas and it really drives cost down. So if if a little company goes into an area and they have eight wells to abandon and they have to go up the learning curve and do it all themselves, then it’s hideously expensive. It might cost them $50000 well if they become part of a program that’s abandoning two thousand wells in the same area, they can push the cost down dramatically. So there are ways to get there. It’s a huge problem. Like Heidi said, there are ways to get there. I think part of the problem is that the you have that the industry has to be a life builder, fix these things. And like both of you have mentioned, some of these problems are created 50 years ago when there were different environmental standards, and we have to fix everything to these standards. So that’s not easy for anybody. There’s a creosote spill in downtown Calgary from 100 years ago that they don’t know how to fix yet on the banks of the river, and it’s they just built a berm around it. They have no idea how to fix it. So it’s not just the oil and gas industry that can have these issues. It’s it’s huge and it’s it’s visible for the oil and gas industry. But if we if we can put programs in place like our star, then we can make great strides.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:07:37] So I love that our star, because it gave tax incentives to the groups to say, Hey, by the way, this is a community, if I got it right. Community, let’s get this thing fixed and get the money to the folks to make it available. To make this thing ESG, make it ready to go clean it up. We know that Canada is one of the single best regulatory countries for ESG on any thing. I mean, we have all talked about how great ESG and how the oil companies in Canada have taken advantage of that.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:08:15] Canadians, we don’t even know that, which is so interesting as Canadians. That is not a well-known fact that we literally are leaders. And that’s really a fascinating concept for me because what I’m trying to do is more on a local level like I want to go after more municipal, I want to go more after provincial. The feds are pretty. They’re pretty lost in my mind. The federal government doesn’t really have that much desire or I guess what the word is for it. But yeah, they’re not interested. They’re not really interested in us anymore. And that’s fine. But we can fix stupidity.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:08:48] Terry, was that stupidity?

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:08:50] Well, it’s it’s more cleverness. Like last year I know the industry was in was in dire straits. The price of oil went negative. As you recall, a natural gas was close behind. So the industry was in dire straits. And so our federal government did give some. They did give some help to the industry. They they gave like a billion dollars to help with wild reclamation, but that was purely political on their part. I mean, it was it was great. It did help abandoned wells, but it didn’t help the industry survive. The industry needed to survive through that period of low commodity prices and by by giving them some money to fix something which isn’t a pressing need for survival. It was it was pure political theater, and now they can claim to have helped solve the problem. So. But that’s the kind of people we deal with.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:09:33] So and some of those people didn’t even. It was mostly the bigger oil and gas companies that benefited from that. Yes. And that’s another problem is not only politically, geopolitically, we have this problem because now everyone from East Coast and Central Canada that really doesn’t want to see subsidies to the Alberta oil and gas energy industry, they said, Oh well, we gave you a billion dollars. You should have fixed the problem, not realizing again, this is not just about like seeing our. And so no, and Shell and these great companies, it’s not to say slander them for doing business out here, but they can’t be the only ones benefiting from these policies. And that’s really what irritates me the most is like, we got to really start thinking on a small business level and start really empowering the people that are taking the greatest risks that have these biggest liabilities that aren’t seeing the money trickle through because they’re not being heard in this kind of global conversation.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:10:27] You know what? I want to also hear your opinion on the world energy crisis. We know Europe’s power is going through the roof and we all know we need to go to renewables. But we got to have a good plan to get there. And that good plan involves oil, gas, energy, nuclear. You know, let’s have unlike we need to sit down and have a nice cup of coffee, throw rocks at people and enjoy a conversation, but have a good plan going forward. Europe is just blowing up with a real problem of too much renewable, too fast. And now the geopolitical problem with Putin over there in his jobs, he’s now got control over Europe. How do you think all that mess is going to impact Canada?

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:11:17] Well, that’s what we fight so hard for. I know for Terry and I, that’s definitely that’s my major concern. And I’ve been really, really focusing on educating Canadians on conflict oil and understanding again, our human rights and foreign ownership of our resources. And this is not just oil or gas, this is agriculture. This is our beef cattle industry potash. And again, these are really major concerns that our politicians are just not having the leadership for and all politicians. I mean, there’s not very many bureaucrats that I have met in the last few years that I’m like, You get it. You understand that this is really about your community and your people. And then from there, once you accumulate that wealth and you reinsert that into social service programs, you have more money to spend on international aid and you have more to give back. And I’m not saying that that’s, you know, we just want to be like Saudi Arabia and make these beautiful houses and live in mansions. But really, I don’t think I don’t think Canadians are really like that. I don’t think they want that. And I don’t think it’s our value since. And it’s kind of like, how do you get to that utopian standpoint works? We do have that potential to really draw in that revenue. And yet our politicians just decide that they they want to give it all over to globalization and foreign ownership.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:12:32] That’s the the European energy crunch is as as odd as it might sound. That’s why I’m so calm. But they’re going to hell. Hand over fist. But the finally, the kind of catalysts that the world needed to listen to people like myself and Heidi, and a bunch of others that have been saying this for years, probably yourself. It’s like, you can’t do this. You can’t transition this master. It doesn’t work. And every time he would say that in public, you get shot down, you get censored on Facebook, you get censored on Twitter. You’re a climate change denier and has nothing to do with it. You can’t do it that fast. And I don’t care what you want to happen, it’s not going to happen and nobody would believe us. And now, now here’s the proof. You just I debate this with Europeans sometimes, and they’re like, Well, we have to do this, so it’s going to happen and you can. If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. That’s the old saying, right? So I don’t care what you want. It’s not going to happen. So now politicians are finally starting to listen. I think some of them still aren’t. They’re saying there’s some in Europe are saying this just proves that we need a quicker energy transition like, oh, go ahead, build more boat, build more wind farms. And then and then the problem gets worse next time. I can’t help you anymore. I think advocates have said all we can for years and now. Now there’s a catastrophe in your doorstep and you can choose to deal with it or not. So it’s up to you.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:13:51] Let me ask this as well, because there’s only been four excuse me, three other commodity boats and commodity booms happen when you have high inflation and you have shortages in hyper inflation kicks in and all this. And the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. And and so there’s only been three others, and I think we got the data showing we are now entering our fourth in. All of our energy issues are going to just really exacerbate this bad. And it got started by everybody printing money to get out of coal and then fund all of the renewables and writing checks that the countries couldn’t cash. So do you guys think we’re in a the beginning of a real energy price boom as part of the commodity? I mean, WTI is 80 bucks today or almost?

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:14:45] Yeah. Well, I’ll I’ll jump in first here. I think we are and I think it is different this time. And this is what makes this one so scary is that every other instance when we’ve had a commodity price boom, it’s been met with a supply risk. Wants because there’s an incentive to go out and go more wells or develop new fields or whatever on a global basis, that’s what happens this time. We’re not being allowed to do that like supply. There is supply response, isn’t there because of divest fossil fuels or whatever. I just saw on the news today, Shell is trying to develop a natural gas field off the coast of the UK, and the UK government denied them permission to develop the gas. You say you have you have lost your minds? Every one of you, you’re running out of gas. Like you say, it’s in crisis mode. Their food supply is shutting down. Literally, there’s

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:15:35] they can’t make ammonia, they can’t make fertilizer.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:15:37] They can’t, they can’t get CO2 to star food to keep it cool. Everything.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:15:41] Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:15:43] I didn’t realize this story as I was researching for that last blog. Got greenhouses in the Netherlands produce almost $11 billion. You as of food for export, and they’re shutting down because they can’t. The fuel price is too high. So and you won’t develop a gas you right on your doorstep. So yeah, so that’s what’s different about this boom. And that’s what makes it this could be a real crisis for humanity.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:16:06] Do you wonder, though, I was thinking about this the other day, and my biggest question is too for Western developed countries, and we’re definitely our standard of living is very different than developing countries that are still going through the process. So I personally believe this and I don’t know why, but I feel like a lot of young people in a lot of Canadians and Americans are happy if it’s just not in their backyard, you know, it’s fine. If it’s in Russia and they destroy the environment, it’s OK. If China has coal plants and they have human rights violations for how to develop our clothes and like the CO2 emissions off that alone are ridiculous to supply the fashion industry. I mean, these are really important questions because I really feel like people just don’t really give a shit. And because it’s not in their backyard, they’re not looking at the problem like, Oh, it’s fine, I’m just going to go to Walmart and continue to live my consumption lifestyle without having any accountability geopolitically. What that money revenue needs for China and for Russia and for, you know, let’s face it, I mean, some pretty sketchy countries around the world that don’t have any incentive to have any program at all.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:17:16] Oh, she’s grumpy hACE2 grumpy today.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:17:19] Go, go, go, go. I love it, you know? You know, Terry. Sorry, Terry, you had that a couple. Was it two months ago? We had goodbye, Terry right back. Are you in a tornado, Terry?

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:17:38] I don’t know what happened. My phone just decided that it was going to shut off the camera so well.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:17:42] We started talking about technology and you’re not going to have technology. I mean, iPhones don’t grow on trees. You got to have the battery. We talked, I think it was two months ago on one of our episodes about your conversations with folks in Africa and in all of that that is going to play right on into this and I’m going to just speak negatively against Americans. We’re so non world centric, Heidi. You are right on. And I think Americans need Americans. That’s Texas. Way to talk Americans, and they need to talk multiple languages, and we need to understand what’s going on in the world. We don’t need to be sitting here going, We’re America. No, we need to go. We’re we’re human. We’re part of the world.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:18:28] Yep, that’s right. And I think and like we’ve said, you know, gosh, almost for a year and some now about just having a alliance for North American oil and gas. I mean, not only do you reduce the transportation costs and everything that’s affiliated with it, but we have a set of standards and we have a certain lifestyle and we have a certain human rights expectations. I mean, to me, that is something that should just be at the forefront of everybody’s opinion. That way, you incentivize people like Saudi Arabia, to be honest. Do you have openness for their women and to to accumulate all these human rights issues? And I know that they’re starting like some groups are starting to really push for it, but they’re just not there yet because they have such an elite ism of people over there that really don’t give a flying f what is going on because they’re so wealthy, they’re not worried about their neighbor next door. Let’s be honest, they don’t have that social transparency through journalism that we get out here.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:19:26] That’s funny. I had about six different strains of that, Heidi, but you just I’m like, OK, that was fun. That was a good one.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:19:34] That was a good

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:19:35] way to go.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:19:35] I’m really scared a lot today. I don’t like getting all riled up.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:19:39] I had to

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:19:40] resort to hiding. I’ll go and look at it. I mean, grilled is over there. All chill? Holy. Yeah. Good God.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:19:47] No, we’re just we’re seeing what the program today.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:19:50] Yeah. And I’m going to go in the day. What’s up with this?

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:19:56] Jane drove all the way to last.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:19:59] Oh, yeah, there you go. And my father had bits in the. There are things to go with. You know, it’s all about. And think about no pet. So right now, if we create North and North American Petroleum Alliance Group so that we compete with OPEC, right? All those in favor of saying that Heidi is the head minister of no big. You’d see grumpy. I mean, Terry could be the enforcer of production quotas. Right? That would. You’d be good at that.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:20:33] Paul Monitor.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:20:34] Maybe, yeah.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:20:38] And I’ll be the comic.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:20:41] Yeah. Well, I do like the idea. It’s like, I mean, there are blocks forming in the world. Rush rushes in, strengthening their ties with China. China needs all the oil and India well, too. You mentioned before, Heidi said, people don’t like this in their backyard, Russia. A year or so ago announced a $230 billion development program for Arctic oil. I never saw one word of complaint anywhere in the media. It barely made the news it. They talked about it a lot in Russian news. Reuters mentioned it, but almost nowhere else did. No complaints. No anything but here.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:21:14] Regulations, no foresight. Transparency. Have you ever seen anything on the press?

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:21:20] You have a bunch of oil so crazy polar bears running around, and the energy minister Novak put out a statement. I believe it was two weeks ago. They got enough natural gas out of the polar ice cap to last for internal Russia and exporting 100 years. So all of a sudden they’re over there kind of going, Hey, and I am a lousy Putin imitator, but you know, he’s like a cross between a godfather and a Texan. Hey, say yes, you want, but it’s going to be a disgrace. They’re so stupid. They just walk into it and they’re like, OK, you know?

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:22:00] Oh, so right, here’s a rush. The Godfather. If I’ve ever met in my life, that is so funny. Some day, yeah, I just want to be like, I ride horses. So I just want to be like, Yeah, we’re going to go for a horseback riding session and I’m going to lay it into you.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:22:17] He wrestles horses.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:22:19] And he ran. He ran his horse. He also wrestles bears to death.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:22:24] Yeah. Drives race cars. Yeah. But look what he’s doing to Europe. I mean, it’s almost like, it’s like, I don’t know. It’s like a godfather against the kindergarten class. He builds these gas pipelines into Europe, and then then he just feels at the top like, Oh, you want a little more gas? Maybe later I got to fill up my storage first. Oh, the price goes up ten times. You can have some gas. But you know

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:22:47] what he did, guys. Putin was ESG Putin’s ESG. Believe it or not. OK. He was following in his footsteps this past two weeks ago. He said, Hey, I’m not going to give you any gas out of the Ukraine pipeline because it’s too bad for the environment. Oh crap, he can pump as much as he wants through their engines. He was running the Nord Stream two authorized from the EU early. So he’s over here going, Oh, it’s easy. I’m a good guy.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:23:20] He thought he knows how to be so smart. He knows how to speak our bullshit. He knows exactly what’s going on about how we talk and the language we talk and how fluffy we can be. Passive. He knows everything, knows everything is based on that.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:23:36] I know who builds that, who builds a pipeline like Nord Stream without and then wonders whether it’ll get approval or not. He knows exactly what’s going to happen. So like, Europe can play chicken all they want and he’s like, You go right ahead. Yeah. And by all means, play your cards.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:23:55] Yes, I’ll be. That’s all. Did you guys watch Turning Point on Netflix on nine 11? If you haven’t watched it yet, everyone should watch it. It’s so well done. It’s probably one of the best documentaries I’ve seen in a long time, and I’m pretty picky about my docs. And it’s a doc series, but they basically go through the entire Afghan war, why the United States went into it, and all the geopolitical things that Russia started with the Soviets. And it’s just super well done because that’s really what it started with with Syria. And then, you know, the Americans get tied up in it and there is like the oil problems and the earthquake. And then there was all that stuff that just kind of like, floodgate it out of that one, one problem. And it’s, you know, and that’s really what we’re really bad at. As Canadians and Americans, we have one problem like you say, 911, and we it’s almost like, we forget about it. We’re like, OK, well, that’s in the past that was a couple of terrorists. That is very geo political, that it was a huge, huge, huge shift about natural resources. Again, like these are things that people fight over and countries fight over. And it was so fascinating. We don’t. We don’t know that.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:25:00] And, you know, Russia started out in Afghanistan and they didn’t win. I mean, they got the snot beat out of them for so many years and then we go in there, we it, we’re there, and then we have the Basra Air Force Base that is the best in the area and it’s the only airbase between China and Russia. And you’re sitting here thinking Turkmenistan is right next to it in Turkmenistan has got all the pipelines and everything from Russia to Pakistan, and India needs that gas. All of a sudden, Russia got all these tanks lined up here because all those my head’s hurting from all this geopolitics bull crap that’s going on. And and so now you have Russia real interested in China is now talking to them about putting nukes in Afghanistan. I’m sitting here going, Holy smokes. What a mess.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:25:58] It’s a mess and it’s in. It’s just because it’s our complacency of like, where do we get our natural resources from? Wouldn’t you much rather get it from Canada? Like, we’re never going to nuke you, we’re never going to bomb you. We’re going to live peacefully next to each other. We’re probably going to get married to each other at the end of the day with all three ingredients like, I just I’m so confused why that is not a priority for the president and the prime minister. I’m just I’m flabbergasted by the lack of relationship that has happened between our countries

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:26:29] and the lack of strategic thinking. It’s it’s terrible. It’s just we’re just getting so outplayed by that, by that other side of the world. Yeah, it’s well

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:26:38] on our radar, Heidi. We’re grumpy about things. You’re the only one that came to the table with a solution. So we’re sitting here, you know, you got grumpy and dopey and you’re the one with the solutions. You got any ideas how we’re going to fix any of this bread other than come up with the no bread.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:26:57] Well, honestly, I I’ve really been thinking a lot about it, especially Canada. There’s like I said, I try to start small and really build from there and get people on board because for one, I’m the next documentary I’m working on. I want to have agriculture, beef and oil speaking at the same issues because mo- more often than not, a lot of these different industries in Canada fight with each other, and this enough is enough. We need to start coming together as a unit and saying these are our national exports and imports. So what is the what is the culture? What are we creating? How can we live here? How can we get a better price for our commodities and really push through that sector and then politics will follow eventually? But in terms of our relationship with the United States, I mean, there’s no better way than to do that than through a negotiation of NAFTA that we are going to play fairly with each other and play nicely with each other and start putting all of these. We have a ton of issues on on the law side of things between our countries because of our imports and exports. And it’s it’s, you know, it’s like, what’s the point of that of suing each other and putting all these different issues in front of different companies? It’s got to it’s got to be everybody’s to chill out. You start being nice to each other and having more beers.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:28:13] Absolutely.

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:28:14] The world’s biggest trading partners. And yeah, we should find solutions.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:28:19] Yeah, yeah. Oh, absolutely. And I’m sitting here thinking, you know, I’m a hypocrite in many ways as well, too, because I’ll sit back and kind of think, Now, what about all the people? Heidi, you brought up probably the biggest point out of this whole thing, and that is you’re talking to the people that you can. Terry is drinking coffee in a car so he doesn’t have to pay for a hotel. He’s saying, I don’t it that way. So I mean, he’s putting his money where his mouth is and being cheap, just like he normally is. And in the U.S. and

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:28:57] in the Toyota do, by the way,

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:29:00] I didn’t want to say that you got, was it hide the seats in there? I mean, whether it is, yeah, we call that fog, you know, fake leather. But we sit back and think, Nobody, Heidi, you brought it up. Nobody wants to give up anything to save the world.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:29:24] Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that’s really, really where we have to start finding better solutions to getting these problems out there. And I’m so excited about them because like again, that’s just my medium to be able to express what I’m really thinking and get it all out there and provide solutions. And, you know, it’s never really goes out of date because I’ve even said it with the research program. I don’t care if it’s our. I hope that our star and someone takes it and makes it better. You know, we want to constantly be improving our policies. And it starts with, like, I’ve noticed this slight. To the oil and gas industry, there’s a huge complacency that’s happening like a sea by sea. It’s what does that stand for?

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:30:07] Terry COVID-19 Energy Pipeline Association.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:30:10] And yet they’re going under in March, and that’s just because the industry is pulling out their funding for these kind of associations and organizations. And this is something that deeply, deeply concerns me because more than ever, we need to have a clear vision and more activism and more time to talk with each other. And, you know, do podcasts like this whatever it is in your day to day life that you need to do to get active and to get involved. It has to happen, and it has to come from CEOs, too. You can’t just sit around and bitch and complain when you’re not putting money and you’re not helping out people or you’re not finding the people in your industry that are sticking their neck out every day for you. So it comes one and one at the same time, right?

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:30:51] You agree. Yeah. That list of characters you talked to before Stewie wag your finger at them because they’re there. They have the power and they have the influence. They can pick up a politician and get heard, and then we get and they they know what we should be fighting for.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:31:05] So if you bet on a speed bump in the game of life,

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:31:09] you’re putting it together. You bring them all together, don’t you?

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:31:12] Yeah, just just ask my wife. But anyway, I’ll tell you what, guys, I’m going to go around the horn and I cannot begin to tell you how much I just appreciate our relationship. Heidi and Terry. And I mean, you guys are rock solid. Thanks for putting up with my little corner of the world here. But you know, grumpy, what are your what are your thoughts, Terry? Give us the last round for you, and then we’ll go over to Heidi and laugh with you. Besides the Bowie and what’s going on with your book again, everybody needs to read the the end of fossil fuel insanity, clearing the air, clearing the air before cleaning the air. And again, I had to sign my own book Dairy. So you know

 

Terri Etam, Author, Energy Humanitarian [00:32:00] I wouldn’t do it. Yeah, what a jerk. Yeah. Yeah. Final Thoughts. I it’s I’m, I guess, on the micro level and the macro level, the micro level. It’s great to see things like Heidi’s working on. And I think that there’s there has been complacency or I should say, complacent. We haven’t made progress on some fronts. Some of that’s been just because of circumstance. With commodity prices crashed some of its emissions, the industry could have been doing better and we are really changing things. And everybody I know in the industry is really looking towards the next wave of how are we going to integrate hydrogen or whatever or carbon capture and storage or fix these problems or fix methane leaks. It’s like our total focus of the industry. So from the ground up, it’s coming. The big guys, I hope they get on site and take it serious, too in the oil patch. And then on the macro level, I just think that this is the big wake up call. It’s not just Europe. China is out of coal, India’s out of coal. Half of India’s power plants have less than three days of supply of coal, and we’re not even at winter yet. So this could be a really ugly winter, and I can’t believe the number of comments that I see on social media from people out of left field saying, Wait a minute this that all of this, this program of renewable energy, this just doesn’t work. And like the light bulbs are going on over and it takes a crisis, unfortunately. So it’s really sad, but it’s necessary. I think we had to get here. So we see hope. Yes.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:33:26] How about you a last word?

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:33:29] Well, that’s pretty much I totally agree with Teri and I do what I do with work and making my little documentaries and putting out commercials. And whether it’s conflict resolution and we’re having conversations about imports from Saudi Arabia that’s going into my home province in New Brunswick. I mean, these are all really, really passionate subjects for me. And on the macro, I all I care about is just pushing my documentaries on Netflix Outside World.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:33:59] And I know that you’re the movie mogul, US heiress, whatever. You’re the greatest documentary person I’ve ever known. So I mean, you’ve got some really cool stuff going on.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:34:13] But I appreciate that.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:34:15] But I’ll tell you, what would you be interested in working in the U.S. in case anybody ever needs some great documentary filming done? Oh yeah,

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:34:24] absolutely.

 

Stu Turley, CEO, Sandstone Group [00:34:26] We’ll see. We’ll make sure your contact information is in there. So anyway, again, thanks guys, and we just really can’t even begin to see how much we appreciate you.

 

Heidi McKillop, CEO, ASN Productions [00:34:36] Thank you. I thought, you guys.