We have a blast covering the Canadian / United States current events, and key ESG topics. The supply chain with the United States is tied to Canada and the politicians are not doing us any favors with policies that are in the best interests of both countries. You don’t want to miss the episode.
Terry Etam is an author and contributor to the BOE report. It has been fabulous getting to know Terry and hearing his story about the less fortunate in African countries reaching out to talk about his book. Terry Etam’s LinkedIn.
Heidi McKillop directed “A Stranded Nation” and has just recently started her own movie company. Please connect with Heidi for outstanding video productions.
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Stuart Turley: [00:00:04] Hello, everybody. Welcome. Today’s Podcast is the Energy News Beat, and I am Stuart Earley, president and CEO of the Sandstone Group. And I just have such a great time with my favorite Canadians. [00:00:18][14.3]
Stuart Turley: [00:00:19] We have Heidi go up and I mean, she is the movie mogulist. This is her title. She is the director of a Stranded Nation and is the CEO of ASN Productions. How Are you today, Heidi? [00:00:32][13.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:00:33] I’m doing wonderful now that I’m here, Sue. [00:00:35][1.8]
Stuart Turley: [00:00:36] Oh, I’ll tell you, we are ready for some fun. We were hoping you were going to be late so that Terry and I could kind of pick on you. So, you know, it’s a good thing you showed up. [00:00:46][10.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:00:46] You showed up on time. I was punctual today for you boys.! [00:00:48][1.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:00:50] Okay. And the next one we have on our little thing here is Terry ETIM. You are the author of my favorite book, The End of Fossil Fuel and Sanity. And I had a boy. You have to show this every time. I am the greatest podcast host ever. Thanks to you. Now I’m going to just brutalize you for a second, Terry. [00:01:10][20.0]
Terry Etam: [00:01:10] All right. [00:01:11][0.2]
Stuart Turley: [00:01:11] Get in and show your cleavage, for all those that are podcast listeners. He’s leaning in and it’s got a green donkey on it and it says Kick ass. [00:01:21][10.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:01:22] So it’s got a green donkey and kick ass. And I are it. I don’t know. I’m from Texas and Oklahoma. And I said, Are you kicking green ass? I didn’t know. What that mean? [00:01:33][10.5]
Terry Etam: [00:01:33] I did not realize what a hornet’s nest was gonna stir up on my t shirt [00:01:35][1.6]
Terry Etam: [00:01:37] I get dressed in the dark and I grabbed the top of the pile. So this is what it was. [00:01:40][3.3]
Stuart Turley: [00:01:41] Oh, I like it. So kicking green ass politically wrong, and we call you affectionately Grumpy. [00:01:47][6.4]
Terry Etam: [00:01:49] Yeah. [00:01:49][0.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:01:50] And I’m the idiot. So this is the Snow White and the Grumpy and the idiot. So my last. [00:01:57][7.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:01:58] Thing yourself shorts, like you guys are much more educated than that. Oh. [00:02:03][4.3]
Stuart Turley: [00:02:04] Wait. See, I got my teeth knocked out playing hockey, so, you know, I’d be able to see that one for a real fun interview. [00:02:12][7.7]
Stuart Turley: [00:02:13] Okay. Yeah. Some of the things that we’ve had on our shows has always been the Canadian US relationship, and we’re having so much fun picking on President Biden. [00:02:24][11.5]
Stuart Turley: [00:02:25] I mean, we’re talking about and. Trudeau You got to love these guys. What planet did they start having meetings in? [00:02:32][7.5]
Terry Etam: [00:02:35] Yeah. How do you get Tackle Allan first if you want your want. [00:02:40][5.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:02:41] Topic to start off. I mean, it’s no big deal. I don’t know. I don’t even start with that. I mean, I think we all kind of are questioning the relationship with Trudeau and Biden. [00:02:54][12.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:02:55] And certainly, you know, I don’t know if they what their if they’re working well together. I don’t know if they’re competing, and I know what the general vision is for both our countries. [00:03:03][7.9]
Heidi McKillop: [00:03:03] But it’s certainly unclear of what their platforms really are about and what their alternative motives are, because one day in the news, you know, they’ll be fickle, like especially with Trudeau, he’ll he’ll come out here at West in Alberta and say, Oh, yeah, you know, we obviously need Canadian oil and gas. [00:03:20][16.9]
Heidi McKillop: [00:03:21] And then goes back to Ottawa and has a completely different sounding board and a different dialog about phasing out oil and gas and that it’s not going to be around for much longer. [00:03:30][9.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:03:31] So the tones are quite different wherever he is, and I think that’s really kind of part of his platform as a whole, is that he tends to really fluctuate on his direction in his leadership, depending on where he is, and.. [00:03:44][13.6]
Stuart Turley: [00:03:46] did you just call Trudeau a politician. [00:03:46][0.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:03:48] Yeah, I mean, they’re like very, very I mean, I think we’ve talked about this before, but one of my things that is so annoying is that the severance between eastern Canada and Western Canada is that that severance is a huge part of our nation. [00:04:05][16.6]
Stuart Turley: [00:04:06] Right. [00:04:06][0.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:04:06] To go up and say comments that, you know, people that are vaccinated in Canada are misogynistic. They’re basically the the poorest of the lowest of humankind in our society. [00:04:17][11.1]
Heidi McKillop: [00:04:18] Is really, really disturbing to me because you’re isolating people and I think any time we start isolating groups of people as a leader, you become very, very misogynistic yourself. [00:04:27][9.3]
Heidi McKillop: [00:04:28] So these are really the cues that we need to be very aware of going forward and it’s not just when it gets a lot of derision, politics happening and oil and gas just seems to be, you know, the front runner right now of this non need for essential resources. [00:04:43][14.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:04:44] You know, Terry, just before we started, we were talking about the inter-relationship of the cars between Canada and the U.S.. I did not know it was that much. [00:04:56][11.9]
Terry Etam: [00:04:58] Yeah. And you find that in an article you sent around, Stu, about just some of the challenges with the Canada-U.S. relations. Just quickly on Heidi’s topic there, there’s the Biden throwing the wrench in the Keystone XL pipeline, which is a while ago. CRANE Yeah, yeah. It’s got the piano on it. So it’s it’s dead now. And the U.S. needs oil, which is really peculiar considering we have more than enough of it, as does the U.S., if you ask his own producers. [00:05:24][26.3]
Terry Etam: [00:05:25] But the there’s other irritants as well, Heidi mentioned these guys seem to be pretty fickle about their messages, depending where they’re at. And the same thing goes internationally. [00:05:34][8.8]
Terry Etam: [00:05:36] We have a auto trade deal with the U.S. It’s called the auto Pact, which came in the sixties or something where there’s sort of a free trade agreement for autos and and Yeah,. [00:05:47][11.2]
Terry Etam: [00:05:48] And then Biden’s build back better thing was going to have huge subsidies for cars made in the U.S. so that that upset Canada or upset the power center of Canada, which is like that golden Horseshoe, southern Ontario, southern Quebec region where more than half of our population is. So. [00:06:06][18.3]
Terry Etam: [00:06:07] in some ways, the split that Heidi was talking about is it’s very similar to what you have. You have the the states on the coasts which are in their own la la land and then the real people in the middle and we have our centered in southern Ontario the same the equivalent may be on the West Coast a little bit too, with people that are disconnected from realities they just go to the grocery store and they expect everything to be there instantly. [00:06:33][26.1]
Terry Etam: [00:06:34] Speaking of which, are Bonehead Prime Minister is not allowing unvaccinated truckers to cross the border, which is in the middle of a supply chain crisis. [00:06:45][10.6]
Terry Etam: [00:06:45] I don’t think anyone can think of anything more stupid to do than to block trucks from accessing your country. It’s just unfathomable and I think people are dumbfounded that someone would actually do that. But here we are. [00:06:57][11.6]
Stuart Turley: [00:06:57] That sounds like something I would do. [00:06:58][1.0]
Terry Etam: [00:06:59] Who knows? You wouldn’t do that. [00:07:02][3.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:07:05] No Stu No,Incorrect. [00:07:05][0.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:07:10] You know this is just amazing. And Heidi, I don’t know if we were boring you to tears until we made a joke. You were just when Teri was talking, all you heard was clicking because you were looking off thinking of something else,. [00:07:20][10.1]
Terry Etam: [00:07:21] Shes busy. [00:07:21][0.1]
Heidi McKillop: [00:07:22] Yeah, I was really thinking about what? He’s exactly right, though. I mean, there’s. So it’s just I keep thinking about visually these parts of Canada that I’ve been traveling to quite often since I was a kid. [00:07:33][10.9]
Heidi McKillop: [00:07:33] So because I grew up on the East Coast, I was in Ontario every single summer, so I know lots of these small towns, lots of these like Hamilton, which is an auto manufacturing town. and when I was filming Australia Nation, I went there actually with my camera and the doctors were saying how overwhelmed they were because it is the highest one of the highest drug rates in Canada is Hamilton. [00:07:56][23.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:07:57] And if you go there, it’s just architecturally stunning. I mean, there’s old, old churches. It’s a beautiful, beautiful spot and it’s really, really gone under. And, you know, I just my heart goes out to people in that community because I met some of them and I met some of the business owners and folks that are trying to stay positive for something like that, where the auto manufacturing is a huge part of their income in their economy, in their local area. [00:08:22][24.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:08:22] So it really it does concern me when politicians play with people’s livelihoods and they don’t seem to have any kind of care or I don’t know, just if you’re gonna switch a policy, it’s going to affect people. [00:08:33][11.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:08:34] So you really have to have that cause and effect nailed down of, okay, well, maybe we should put more research into who’s getting effective, what kind of support we need to be giving if we’re going to change something like that. [00:08:48][14.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:08:49] You know, energy policy is sounds good for about the first 5 seconds until it gets put into ink. And then once it’s inked, nobody realizes who it impacts. [00:08:59][10.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:09:00] Terry, you’ve dreamt about that before When energy policies affect people that they’re not even thinking about. [00:09:07][6.8]
Terry Etam: [00:09:08] Right, then that that it’s become so obvious that people don’t understand energy. When you see these these statements or these fights that people pick the biggest. Well, so oil and natural gas are cross border elements they come back and forth. Canada and US trade back and forth all the time. [00:09:26][17.9]
Terry Etam: [00:09:27] We have we have pipelines from western Canada that carry natural gas and oil into the United States, and there’s pipelines in the eastern side of the continent that did move product up into Canada and it’s a it’s a great relationship. [00:09:39][11.8]
Terry Etam: [00:09:39] And then you have someone like the governor of Michigan trying to. trying to shut down a pipeline that serves her own citizens and brings them propane that they need for winter heating fuel and a lot of other things and it helps Canada to this pipeline. [00:09:54][14.2]
Terry Etam: [00:09:55] It’s just it’s on an ideological grounds to just just reflect that they know nothing about energy. Same as Secretary Granholm making some comments. She doesn’t know how much oil the U.S. produces, she doesn’t know anything about their statistics, statistics of their own. One of the biggest, most influential industries under her. She doesn’t even know the basics about it. She just wants it gone. So which is really weird. [00:10:18][23.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:10:19] You know, Heidi, I just read another article, and since you’re the farm expert around here and you grew up on a farm and you have the. [00:10:30][11.5]
Stuart Turley: [00:10:32] Oh. [00:10:32][0.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:10:32] The empathy for farm animals is the you’re the only one that cares about anything on this podcast [00:10:38][5.6]
Stuart Turley: [00:10:41] You know, it’s it’s interesting. I didn’t realize the dairy and farming trade between the U.S. and Canada. [00:10:48][6.9]
Heidi McKillop: [00:10:49] Well, it’s everything. I mean, this is what we talk about a lot and we should be talking a little bit more about is our supply chain. We’re completely, completely interconnected to the United States. [00:10:58][8.7]
Heidi McKillop: [00:10:58] And I’m happy with that because we share a lot of the same values. We share a lot of the same cultural nuances about life, whether it’s religion or whatever it is. You know, it’s it’s really closely tied into the roots of the United States. [00:11:10][12.1]
Heidi McKillop: [00:11:11] So I’m super okay with it. But my biggest thing is, you know, we don’t have politicians anymore that are very good at standing up for Canada and I would say vise versa for you guys as well. [00:11:20][9.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:11:21] I mean, there’s a happy medium that goes into it and we have the land space in land mass as well and the lower population to really, really excel in all industries, whether that’s maple sirup, which is a huge commodity that’s traded around the world. It’s massive, massive. [00:11:37][16.3]
Heidi McKillop: [00:11:38] You know, you’ve got tons of things like cattle, you’ve got dairy, you’ve got automotive, as we talked about,. [00:11:44][6.5]
Stuart Turley: [00:11:45] Right? [00:11:45][0.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:11:46] Constant, constant flow between these types of industries and needs for our supply chain. So cultivating that relationship to me should be priority and every other country should be secondary, in my opinion. [00:12:02][15.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:12:04] One of the things that was also in a different article was saying that to be a farmer, now a farmer was scratching his head and he said, I’ve never sold so much cow poop in all my life. And everybody’s trying to get the carbon credits for burning cow poop, you know? And I’m like, Cool. [00:12:27][22.5]
Heidi McKillop: [00:12:27] I said, I’ve heard about this, but that doesn’t surprise me. [00:12:30][2.5]
Terry Etam: [00:12:31] That was my article I wrote for the BUI Report a couple of days ago. So that goes day before yesterday. So there’s yeah, there’s a farmer that was online that said that he’s had 25 offers of people trying to buy access to his cow poop because of the method. [00:12:46][15.7]
Stuart Turley: [00:12:47] So this is where I read it. I didn’t realize it was you. [00:12:49][2.2]
Terry Etam: [00:12:49] That was.Me. [00:12:49][0.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:12:50] Oh, no way. [00:12:51][0.5]
Terry Etam: [00:12:52] Yeah, And it’s. Well, I’m kind of dabbling in that field, not the poop field, but the. [00:12:57][5.3]
Terry Etam: [00:12:58] That renewable amount of gas. [00:12:58][0.3]
Stuart Turley: [00:13:00] He beat me to that line.I was. Going to say that. [00:13:01][1.3]
Stuart Turley: [00:13:03] Terry’s dabbling in poop again. [00:13:04][1.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:13:05] Oh, honey. [00:13:06][1.5]
Stuart Turley: [00:13:08] Sorry. [00:13:08][0.0]
Terry Etam: [00:13:08] So, yeah, it’s definitely a hobby, but it’s the the demand for it is because of the credits that it generates. So. So you have this very odd the article was about pricing signals and it’s it’s not my idea there’s a genius out there named Lynn Walden that I highly recommend everyone go read. [00:13:26][18.2]
Terry Etam: [00:13:27] She has she has the ability to make complex topics very simple and very rational and logical analysis. It’s fantastic stuff. Anyway, so she wrote an article about price signals. Then she had a great analogy of a price signal. That is, let’s say there’s a pipe where. [00:13:48][20.5]
Stuart Turley: [00:13:48] You go on anywhere with this term. [00:13:49][1.3]
Terry Etam: [00:13:50] Yeah, yeah. So there’s a, there’s a pipeline break in a community and there’s a shortage of gasoline and the price will spike and people will adjust to that locally as as the price spikes. [00:14:01][10.9]
Terry Etam: [00:14:01] Some people will stop using it. The people that really need it will pay what they need. That will pay it because they need it and supplies will start coming in from other places. [00:14:10][8.6]
Terry Etam: [00:14:10] There’ll be arbitrage ers that will start bringing products in from elsewhere to capture the high prices and you have a market that works that balance everything again. But governments are messing it up. [00:14:20][9.5]
Terry Etam: [00:14:20] So you have this extraordinary demand for for cow crap because it’s built on an artificial government subsidy. [00:14:26][6.1]
Terry Etam: [00:14:27] You also have you have extremely high demand for hydrocarbons, but people aren’t willing to supply them because they’re they don’t see governments allowing them to survive in the long run. So. So that’s part of the the issue that our governments need to figure out here, too,. [00:14:44][17.0]
Terry Etam: [00:14:44] Is that there’s this crying demand for a lot of things. The supply chains are getting buggered up. Underpinning all of it is hydrocarbons because that’s cheap energy. [00:14:53][8.9]
Terry Etam: [00:14:54] We’re fortunate here in North America. We have the lowest energy prices in the world. Natural gas oil is a pretty tradable commodity, so similar to the rest of the world. But are are natural gas, which is a feedstock for a lot of industries, the cheapest in the world and we don’t realize how lucky we are to have that. [00:15:10][15.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:15:11] So, yeah, that’s right. And like as we were talking with farming, it’s even the fertilizer having natural gas and fertilizer. I mean, we had that supply chain issue. I just don’t understand why people don’t wake up and say, Oh, okay. I wonder why there’s it’s a practical issue. There’s no fertilizer around. [00:15:26][15.7]
Heidi McKillop: [00:15:27] Like you’re talking about food, and that is a necessity to human life. You know, I was speaking to some of my girlfriends this weekend because two of them are actually models. So one of them just moved to Toronto and she is starting to look into European contracts and things like that. [00:15:43][15.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:15:43] And we were chatting about oil and gas and then also about fashion, because the second largest polluter in terms of industry is actually, I think oil and gas is number one internationally, but it’s at least a need. It’s a necessity to our our function of life. And the second is fashion. If I’m not wrong about the stats,. [00:16:04][20.9]
Heidi McKillop: [00:16:05] So fashion is the most probably useless thing in terms of our our human needs. I mean, having a shirt and buy 40 of them. [00:16:13][8.3]
Stuart Turley: [00:16:14] My head just exploded. Why I when we went from energy to fashion, is the most important things on the planet. [00:16:21][7.1]
Heidi McKillop: [00:16:22] Well, In Terms… [00:16:23][1.0]
Terry Etam: [00:16:23] I think you took it personally with this outfit today. [00:16:25][2.1]
Heidi McKillop: [00:16:26] Yeah, In terms of solution It’s actually the second largest. So if you’re looking at it, then the necessity level is fashion a necessity and it’s not. [00:16:36][9.4]
Heidi McKillop: [00:16:36] So we’re not talking about just manufacturing clothes, we’re talking about fast fashion. So this is something that, you know, obviously for her as a model, she’s quite aware of and she is saying, you know, I shop locally at thrift stores now, like I don’t go out and buy anything because, you know, there’s just such a there’s such a pollution on the planet with this one thing. [00:16:54][17.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:16:54] So you have to start thinking about it in a global sense. It’s it’s just so interesting to me of, you know, when we’re having larger conversations about the environment. This has to be at the forefront is all conversations like that, you know. [00:17:08][14.2]
Stuart Turley: [00:17:09] Like child labor laws or abuse. And the Nike tennis shoe factories were they’re having child labor and all those kind of things. [00:17:17][8.3]
Heidi McKillop: [00:17:18] Oh, it’s huge. Yeah. And there is actually there’s a really good documentary. Not sure if it’s on Netflix anymore, but it was about fast fashion and it was really sad because what was happening is all of these places where they were manufacturing, say, t shirts and they’re producing mass mass quantities of them,. [00:17:37][18.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:17:37] All of their water locally was completely contaminated by chemicals because there wasn’t any guidelines, environmental guidelines like we have in Canada, United States, and it happens in the United States, in Canada. But we had the ability to put it on the news, to have documentaries do have that ability to be transparent and force transparency I collected Pollock, but at least you can still put it out there. [00:18:01][23.9]
Heidi McKillop: [00:18:01] But these countries, they don’t have the ability to stand up to their government and challenge these types of regulations. [00:18:08][6.2]
Stuart Turley: [00:18:09] I’m going to ask a totally non important question, but if you want to if you know this with your modeling friends and their fashion statements and stuff, do you know why the tie was invented? [00:18:20][10.5]
Heidi McKillop: [00:18:21] I have no idea. Yeah. [00:18:24][2.7]
Stuart Turley: [00:18:25] It goes back to when shirts actually had metal and they were rusted, so the fashion came in to put some piece of cloth on it. [00:18:35][10.2]
Stuart Turley: [00:18:35] And I’d like to beat the snot out of whoever that was. That first did that. I’m like, You guys are morons. I mean. [00:18:43][8.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:18:44] Funny. Oh, my gosh. That’s wildI i did not know that, Stu. [00:18:47][3.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:18:47] And then the other one is, why did women why do women’s shirts Let’s see, men’s go left over right and then women’s go the other way. [00:18:57][9.4]
Heidi McKillop: [00:18:57] Yeah. [00:18:57][0.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:18:58] Okay. Do you know why? [00:18:59][0.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:19:00] No idea. [00:19:00][0.2]
Stuart Turley: [00:19:01] Okay. In the old days, when men were men and they weren’t, like, carrying purses and stuff, they carried swords. So when you open your coat up, most people are right handed and they pull out their sword. We’ve stuck with those two traditions, and I’m ambidextrous. So I can wear women’s clothes and I can pull my sword out. [00:19:22][21.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:19:24] Yeah,. [00:19:24][0.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:19:24] I love this. Each month where I’m learning something new about you students. [00:19:28][4.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:19:29] Oh, yeah. [00:19:29][0.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:19:31] I’m glad we established you, like, women’s clothes. [00:19:33][2.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:19:34] Yeah. The idea is that Monty Python, when they had the I’m a lumberjack and I’m okay. You remember that skit, Terry? You don’t remember that? [00:19:42][8.4]
Terry Etam: [00:19:42] I’ve seen it. Yeah. Yeah. [00:19:43][1.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:19:44] Okay, I’m going to tag that on the end of this so that the Canadian people will understand I’m a lumberjack, and I’m okay. Okay. With that, We’re leaving now. Back to my strength at all. Do I know. [00:19:55][11.2]
Terry Etam: [00:19:56] Where we were sidetracked at all? [00:19:57][1.6]
Stuart Turley: [00:19:58] Oh, no, we were that. We just went off the rails on that bad dog. Hey, I was sitting there looking at this, and the Canadian Sands oil is a heavy mix of oil that we need badly,. [00:20:11][13.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:20:12] And that’s a mess up and you can’t use that land for anything other than a term pit for pulling in dinosaurs. Right? [00:20:19][7.6]
Terry Etam: [00:20:20] The oil sands. But the oil sands. The oil sands actually cover 140,000 square kilometers, which is an enormous, absolutely enormous area. A lot of it is near surface and there’s a lot of the soil around there is contaminated with oil. Literally, it’s there. There’s stunted trees. There’s it’s right below the surface. It percolates up to the surface there. [00:20:44][23.4]
Terry Etam: [00:20:44] I mentioned once, not just II, but a lot of other people have said that the oil sands is actually the world’s biggest cleanup operation and people just get livid when you say that. But it’s not untrue. [00:20:55][11.4]
Terry Etam: [00:20:56] There’s a lot of oil that’s laying there at surface. And when when when a oil sands operation comes through and takes the oil out and then reclaims the site, it’s cleaner than it was before they were there. [00:21:07][10.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:21:08] Thats Correct. [00:21:08][0.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:21:08] No Way… [00:21:09][0.3]
Heidi McKillop: [00:21:09] Correct yet and there used to be animals there actually a lot of indigenous communities that were saying things were getting stuck in the oil there were dying like is exactly what Terry mentioned, is that all the trees, the vegetation would die because there is just too much of it that was coming to the surface. [00:21:25][16.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:21:26] Well, ASN productions, who I know the movie movie moguls owner of as and production should I to do a documentary? [00:21:34][7.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:21:35] Oh, I know. Isn’t that ironic? That’s already in my head. It’s already in my works of of topics I’ll be tackling. [00:21:42][6.6]
Stuart Turley: [00:21:43] Oh, no way. Oh, yeah. You know, it’s so sad that all the animals are trying to imitate dinosaurs and die off and become oil by jumping in the oil up there. And it’s the cleanest ESG. We need a new marketing scheme for Canada, where ESG by cleaning up the tar pits. [00:22:01][18.7]
Terry Etam: [00:22:03] It’s lying there in the ground here and they’re taking it out. What do you call that? [00:22:07][3.3]
Heidi McKillop: [00:22:07] Thanks to our very friendly Sierra Club down in the States, they’ve done a very good job at campaigning against Canada Oilsands. So thank you, guys. [00:22:15][8.3]
Terry Etam: [00:22:16] Yeah,. [00:22:16][0.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:22:17] We know we’ve got a lot of work to rehash and that’s a huge challenge When things are already in the public mind, it’s very, very difficult to unlearn something that’s been over two decades, basically, of of working against a specific industry. [00:22:33][15.9]
Heidi McKillop: [00:22:33] That’s a lot of information that’s getting pumped out. And as we talked about a million times before in oil and gas is all you have to show is a spill and you cleaning off the deck of oil like, you know, it’s all over, it’s feathers and put that all over the news. [00:22:49][15.8]
Stuart Turley: [00:22:50] You’re saying a real duck. I didn’t know that you were talking about a real duck. I thought. I mean, not drowning. [00:22:54][4.1]
Heidi McKillop: [00:22:54] You duck all the time. They get stuck in like an oil spill and the poor little things can’t like and its sad. Like, you know what an otter or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Devastating. Like, it hurts my little heart. So I’m like one of those people. I get wrapped up in that stuff where it used to, and then I’m like, now, like, okay, okay. [00:23:13][18.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:23:13] Heidi, A duck in the oil and gas industry is a drill, but uncompleted well. All right. You were trying to hug a drill, but uncompleted well. And you’re talking about a little ducky. [00:23:23][9.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:23:23] It’s like you. It could be both things. It’s okay. It’s like my two meanings and trends. [00:23:31][7.5]
Terry Etam: [00:23:31] Trans Duck. [00:23:31][0.2]
Stuart Turley: [00:23:35] A cross-dressing duck. [00:23:36][1.3]
Heidi McKillop: [00:23:37] I ment like a real duck with feathers. Oh, okay. You don’t. The cute duck. [00:23:41][4.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:23:42] Okay, We’re going to get banned on YouTube on that. [00:23:44][2.5]
Terry Etam: [00:23:44] Oh, yeah, I think so. Yeah. [00:23:45][0.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:23:46] Yeah. We’re between the green ass kicking and everything else. We are toast now, but at least we don’t drop an F-bomb. If we drop an F-bomb, it drives my production people nuts. So, you know, how do you still hold the record? [00:23:59][13.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:24:00] Now, I’m. I’m the biggest idiot on this. On this thing. But, you know, Heidi’s the one with the foul mouth. [00:24:06][6.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:24:07] It’s the East Coast. You and me, we’re like pirates. So, you know. [00:24:11][4.2]
Stuart Turley: [00:24:13] I’m surprised when they do snaps and another one that was another movie. That was a great one that we’ll leave alone. Okay. I just had a senior moment. [00:24:22][9.3]
Terry Etam: [00:24:24] Right,. [00:24:24][0.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:24:26] Stue, I didn’t know you were a senior. [00:24:27][1.3]
Stuart Turley: [00:24:28] I’m sure that’s like. Yeah, I’ll send you a check later. [00:24:32][3.5]
Stuart Turley: [00:24:32] But when you when you when you sit back and think, Guys, how do we solve this? Because we all know we don’t mind going greener, as they say, because we do need to go to carbon net emissions zero. We need to get the lowest kilowatt per hour to folks. [00:24:47][14.8]
Stuart Turley: [00:24:48] What are the next step? What do we do? We can’t just grumble each other and make jokes about people even though we need to. [00:24:54][5.9]
Heidi McKillop: [00:24:55] And Terry, you first. I want to hear your ideas. [00:24:57][2.3]
Terry Etam: [00:24:57] Well, I don’t I don’t really know the answer to that. There’s the parties have so are so entrenched in what they believe in and they come out so strongly in the climate. [00:25:09][11.5]
Terry Etam: [00:25:09] The people that are terrified about a changing climate are terrified about a changing climate they’re really lose sleep at night. They think we’re all going to die if the temperature rises and we don’t stop emissions. [00:25:18][9.0]
Terry Etam: [00:25:19] And the part that leaves me kind of stumped is the fact that the world is doesn’t care. There’s a there’s a elite Western slice of society that really does care. But there’s 5 billion people on the other side of the world that don’t. They want a better standard of living. They want to grow to live like we do. They care about food but first and foremost, they care about improving their standard of living. That’s the reality of it to me. [00:25:44][24.7]
Terry Etam: [00:25:45] So I think that we’re going to come to some sort of a if we had if we had if there had been a a price mechanism driving this whole thing. [00:25:52][7.5]
Terry Etam: [00:25:52] So let’s say the price of oil went to $200 a barrel and stayed there, you would see all sorts of people voluntarily dumping their SUVs. They wouldn’t fly as much, they would think about what they do if we had to pay for that. [00:26:05][12.3]
Terry Etam: [00:26:05] And that’s why people like the carbon tax, because it does drive the cost up. But it should be done because of scarcity, true scarcity. If there’s something that’s really scarce, there’s precious and you should treat it as such. [00:26:16][10.3]
Terry Etam: [00:26:17] Oil and gas aren’t scarce. They’re they’re available. We just choose not to produce them or we disincentivize people to produce them, and most of the world wants them so we I think that that we have to find an equilibrium there. [00:26:30][13.3]
Terry Etam: [00:26:30] There’s there’s this huge push with Greta and the army of kids that we’re saying we have to get off fossil fuels. And then the world reality is pushing back and say, forget it, we want to live and so that’s where it’s heading now. I think we’re heading in the other direction where you see record coal consumption in Europe and rising coal consumption, the US record coal consumption in China. So that’s the reality of it. [00:26:56][25.7]
Terry Etam: [00:26:56] So I think the way that this gets resolved is we have to find an equilibrium here where prices are higher and then there’s an actual true incentives that people will care about. You can’t just you can’t shame people into it and you can’t get people into it and you can’t scare them into changing their ways. [00:27:10][14.0]
Terry Etam: [00:27:11] You can’t tell someone you have to quit driving your nice big vehicle because the first warm up in 50 years they’ll go, I don’t care, I’m going to get groceries and I’m going to Mexico for my holiday and I’m doing whatever. That’s just how the world works. And people I think will come to that conclusion. [00:27:27][16.2]
Terry Etam: [00:27:28] But I do think we are moving towards the greener aspect of it, for sure. And if it’s done for economic reasons, because the price of the commodities is too high, then I think we’ll find an equilibrium where it all works for everybody and we’ll live with less. [00:27:41][13.1]
Terry Etam: [00:27:42] Maybe we live without changing our fashions every season, like the the seasons, new colors. Everybody throws out last seasons. And maybe we’ll stop doing things like that once. If the price of clothing goes to what it should be, you’re. [00:27:54][12.2]
Stuart Turley: [00:27:54] Taking a shot at how these friends I mean, they’re not even here to defend themselves. I would not want to take on a couple of models. I mean, that would be. [00:28:03][8.7]
Heidi McKillop: [00:28:04] But that’s why they’re so awesome, though, is because when we were talking like they don’t participate in fast fashion. Like, this is one of the things that is really core to their values as a millennial is that and I do the same like I mostly shop at thrift stores. [00:28:18][14.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:28:19] So like, these are really important concepts that a lot of people are trying to do to lower their environmental impact. And they’re making those choices and because we have to live with that choice as a millennial and Gen Z, it’s been it’s been part of our culture for as long as we were kids. [00:28:33][14.5]
Heidi McKillop: [00:28:34] So it’s so interesting to hear what people are really passionate about young people, and that tends to be the reoccurring issue is like, how do we connect the supply chain in the economy with oil and gas, you know, making that relationship again to those people that are really passionate about making change. [00:28:50][16.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:28:51] So it’s it’s challenging. You know, there’s a there’s a there’s definitely a disconnect there. We were playing a card game and it’s called Cards Against Humanity. I don’t know if you guys have ever played that before. [00:29:02][10.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:29:02] I’ve heard it, yes. [00:29:02][0.5]
Heidi McKillop: [00:29:03] Okay. So there was a card that I got and it was crazy. The card said dirty Alberta oil and gas. That was one of the cards. And I stopped and I was like, What? Like how how is this? Like, this is an American card game. And that was one of the things that was on the card. [00:29:21][18.1]
Heidi McKillop: [00:29:22] So you can just imagine how deeply this marketing campaign has gone against Alberta oil and gas. And it’s really, really disturbing because it’s like, okay, that is no longer it’s part of pop culture. It’s now in a card game and people are thinking that that’s normal. So when they wake up, they’re like, yeah, it’s Alberta dirty oil and gas. [00:29:41][19.3]
Terry Etam: [00:29:41] Wow. [00:29:41][0.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:29:42] And that is fascinating to me. So when we talk about again, it’s really ability in this marketing relationship between millennials and Gen Z. I mean, people are just horrible in oil and gas and communicating to my generation. It’s just it’s overwhelming sometimes of how poor it is,. [00:29:59][17.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:30:00] You know, shoving LNG facts at people or talking about like this old concept, it’s like, wait, it doesn’t mean anything to my my friends or people that I know here. So that’s really the driving point for me is that there has to be more of a unity in their marketing side collectively for oil and gas companies. [00:30:20][20.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:30:21] And Alberta has sometimes they lose and they lose win in their fight because they’re so overwhelmed by how daunting of a task this really is. And then there’s some companies that are eager to constantly be in the game and be in the loop. So it’s really about bringing all of them together, making sure that they don’t give up on themselves. [00:30:40][19.5]
Stuart Turley: [00:30:41] You know, there’s a couple of companies out there that have done some great commercials explaining, I believe I know one of them that have done great commercials, talking about the importance of oil. You know, I don’t know who that is. But there’s also another one that I just saw, and that was Energy transfer commercial. Have you seen it? [00:31:01][19.3]
Heidi McKillop: [00:31:01] No, I haven’t. You have to send it to me. [00:31:02][1.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:31:04] It is great. I mean, people are walking down and they go on a date and they start going on a date. And then she looks really cute. He looks got his hair all gelled up and they’re about ready to go in. And they go, What if you didn’t have oil? And then they bag Everything starts dissolving and everything else and then she shows up, She has no makeup on and her hair’s horrible. He’s looking like this. [00:31:23][19.6]
Stuart Turley: [00:31:24] And the owner of the restaurant comes out and just throws a couple of bags of food at him and said, Get out of here, You know, So the life with the oil, Tracy and I would be just totally out of luck because we couldn’t put our makeup on. I mean, it was it would be horrible with no oil. I mean, if you had no no clothes, you had no makeup, you had nothing. I couldn’t have a podcast. Nothing without oil and gas. [00:31:48][24.5]
Heidi McKillop: [00:31:49] Yeah. [00:31:49][0.0]
Terry Etam: [00:31:49] No cheap T-shirts. [00:31:50][0.5]
Heidi McKillop: [00:31:51] Yeah, that’s right. [00:31:52][1.0]
Terry Etam: [00:31:56] It’s the yeah, it is everywhere. I was debating with this guy from I get endless stream of emails got about people wanting me to promote news releases or stories,. [00:32:05][9.4]
Terry Etam: [00:32:06] And some guy from the Renewable Fuels Association wanted me to promote the Canada’s new clean fuel standard, and he took a big swipe at the hydrocarbon industry in their news release and i answered back, said, Well, that would be the last thing on Earth. I would be would be defending what you’re suggesting. It turns out he’s a fairly rational guy. [00:32:24][18.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:32:24] But the Heidi, this is coming from the same guy that yelled out a politician. [00:32:32][7.8]
Stuart Turley: [00:32:33] Right? Sorry, Terry, I didn’t mean to interrupt. Go ahead. [00:32:36][3.3]
Terry Etam: [00:32:36] No, no, it’s okay. We had a good dialog and he came came back and forth. And I and I kind of explained the position of the industry, kind of getting back to Heidi’s point now. [00:32:44][8.0]
Terry Etam: [00:32:45] But it just you when you can win these battles one by one, if you can actually sit down with somebody and have a rational conversation about it. And we swapped some good e-mails, but they come from a place that’s just so, so bad that they don’t. It’s hard. It’s hard to win them back. [00:33:02][17.0]
Terry Etam: [00:33:02] And he had some sense that he’s people have this mindset that it’s really not that bad. Like, I don’t know why you guys get so upset about it. It’s like, well, look around you. Like who’s or who defends that? The fact that the things are everywhere. [00:33:15][13.3]
Terry Etam: [00:33:16] If the hydrocarbon industry says that that oil and gas is in everything, people don’t shut up. You just talk in your book. You’re just you’re just defending your own business. But it’s true, right? So, yeah,. [00:33:26][10.5]
Terry Etam: [00:33:27] So you do need people that are outside of the space. And again, as I always often say, like I like Heidi’s work because she’s not in the involved, she’s not employed by the oil patches. She just can see the value of it and speak the truth about it. So and everybody. does… [00:33:42][14.9]
Stuart Turley: [00:33:42] And the frightening thing and the frightening thing about Heidi is she’s got a cotton picking camera. And so, you know, you and I are going to make sure we walk the line and be very good. She’s going to, you know, put her artist, I believe I saw on LinkedIn, you’re hiring somebody for a art. You know, Heidi is hiring out there. So that’s. Cool. [00:34:01][18.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:34:02] Yeah, I’m excited. It’s I definitely am looking for like a young student that is able to kind of grow with the company because there’s a lot of little things that I want to start tackling, which would be like the YouTube channel and TikTok, because these are major platforms that most of young people consume their information right now. [00:34:19][17.4]
Heidi McKillop: [00:34:19] So I want to tap into that space because I’m young enough. I can kind of like I’m on the cusp of being interesting, but not quite like, you know, anyone kind of older than me. Like that’s getting around 36, 37, 40, like they are not doing well. [00:34:34][15.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:34:37] So im gonna hire someone younger, I can, you know, keep this going for a little while and hopefully they can put their little young twist on it. And that’s sad to say because I’m not even that old. [00:34:48][11.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:34:51] But I’m sorry for the people listening. But I guess I about lost the cookie right there because I was laughing so hard. You’re over there saying that you’re young and I’m over here like Methuselah. And I, Moses and I are buddies, you know, And then, you know, Terry. [00:35:03][12.4]
Terry Etam: [00:35:03] Right behind you. [00:35:04][0.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:35:05] Yeah. That’s the thing is like, I mean, I don’t know if you’ve noticed on YouTube, but it’s crazy like these influencers, how much money they’re there’s jobs now that are just influencers, YouTube influencers. Like it’s a job, it’s a career. [00:35:17][12.6]
Stuart Turley: [00:35:18] And the scene, those ones where they dance and they’re great dancers and the guys are they, you know, they dance really well. I’m hooked on those dang things on Instagram. [00:35:27][8.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:35:28] Yeah, they are. [00:35:29][1.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:35:30] And I’m sitting here like an idiot. I’m like a hamster sitting here just kind of like. [00:35:33][3.5]
Heidi McKillop: [00:35:33] You know, like, I’m so proud of you. That’s actually TikTok. It’s connected to the Instagram accounts, but it’s actually Tik Tok. [00:35:39][5.9]
Stuart Turley: [00:35:40] I know. I don’t do no debt. No, I, I, I do the Instagram now as if writing it to Tik. Tok. [00:35:47][7.1]
Heidi McKillop: [00:35:49] Its connected to tiktok [00:35:49][0.0]
Terry Etam: [00:35:51] Yeah. [00:35:51][0.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:35:52] Holy smokes. I need to go. [00:35:53][1.2]
Terry Etam: [00:35:53] Shoot my leg now. [00:35:54][0.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:35:54] Both of them are Tik tok videos.theyre not [00:35:55][1.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:35:57] I know. I need to go shoot myself right now. Just eliminate myself. [00:36:00][3.3]
Terry Etam: [00:36:00] So there’s that. [00:36:02][1.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:36:02] I can’t even tell you what I’m doing. I’m sitting there like a squirrel just going, Oh, this is cool. Oh, that’s cool. [00:36:07][4.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:36:07] Oh. [00:36:07][0.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:36:08] I’ve never seen i , ive never seen it [00:36:09][0.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:36:11] You got to know. [00:36:11][0.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:36:11] I’ve never seen a husky do this kind of show your name right now, I ask. He’s talking on a and. [00:36:17][5.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:36:18] Literally you got roped in. You got roped into the Tik-tok world of literally TikTok. [00:36:21][3.9]
Stuart Turley: [00:36:22] No way. [00:36:23][0.4]
Heidi McKillop: [00:36:24] Yeah. [00:36:24][0.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:36:25] Okay. So how are we going to educate people in oil and gas doing tic tac? Because I can’t even talk, let alone Tik Tok the well. [00:36:34][8.9]
Heidi McKillop: [00:36:35] I mean, you do it, but it’s something that we’re going to be playing around with this year for sure, in our growth in the company. So I’ll keep you posted. I’ll let you know how the how the progression goes. [00:36:44][9.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:36:45] I can tell you what not to do. [00:36:46][1.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:36:48] Well, maybe I’ll tell you the truth. Talks to you, like by the end of this, we’ll get you doing stuff. [00:36:52][3.9]
Terry Etam: [00:36:53] This should go viral. [00:36:56][3.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:36:56] Like, absolutely not. I. [00:36:57][1.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:36:58] I don’t know. Maybe it was it. It’s that kind. Dancing. Not pole dancing. Terry, you went there. It’s the shuffle dancing. I guess I have to go learn Shuffle. [00:37:11][12.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:37:12] Okay. Yeah. You know, I’m looking forward to this collaboration. Im a little nervous, but it’s okay. [00:37:18][5.9]
Stuart Turley: [00:37:20] We can do that. Yeah, we could do that on the next Canadian Oil gas thing. Doing shuffle dancing. [00:37:26][6.4]
Heidi McKillop: [00:37:28] Sure We’ll try it. It may not go up, but it will try. Help your whole life if you. [00:37:34][6.5]
Terry Etam: [00:37:34] Give her out down the street. Yeah. [00:37:36][1.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:37:36] Oh, no. You know what? I’m sitting here thinking there’s got to be a way that we can have greener energy by having a way to not have a wind farm. But I’d love to have a device where I ride on my trainer. [00:37:49][13.3]
Stuart Turley: [00:37:50] Why can’t you generate power off of your bike when you’re exercising? I mean, I’m a hamster anyway. You know, I’d like to go ahead and run and, you know, run on the wheel. Why can’t you generate your own power? [00:38:00][9.9]
Terry Etam: [00:38:02] But you can. It’s. There’s. And I’ve seen experiments like that. It’s just the actual power you generate is like, actually really, really little. Like the. The power of light. To turn a light bulb on, you have to really work pretty hard, so. [00:38:14][12.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:38:16] Well, maybe that’s good for you. You can, you know, just go to school for 2 seconds and then it’s like you want to read. [00:38:23][7.2]
Terry Etam: [00:38:23] Your book, yet they have to keep the light on, which means you have to pedal harder. [00:38:26][2.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:38:26] And I’m a little worried that you might have a heart attack, but it’s okay. We’ll try again. We’ll add them to that and then, oh, I have a better idea. We’ll get you to take that for ticktock. [00:38:36][9.9]
Stuart Turley: [00:38:37] Go hang a donut in front of me on the treadmill and, you know, out of work. [00:38:43][5.3]
Heidi McKillop: [00:38:43] Well, we had Tim Hortons up here. We could certainly make that happen for you. We’ll send you in a bit. [00:38:48][4.5]
Stuart Turley: [00:38:50] So I think educating people is the best way to do it. And Heidi, your next documentary coming out, we’re looking forward to it. I think you’re going to just knock it out of the park and don’t you can have me. [00:39:05][15.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:39:06] Have you seen those in the beginning of movies where they have some stupid little thing, you know, and they you know, they have a movie. And at the beginning of it, whoever makes the movie has a little stupid video, You know what I’m saying, right? [00:39:17][11.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:39:18] Yeah, I think so. [00:39:18][0.6]
Stuart Turley: [00:39:19] A little logo with a stupid thing, like, you know, a little kid. I can’t believe that. Yeah. [00:39:24][4.8]
Heidi McKillop: [00:39:26] I see what you’re saying. Yeah. [00:39:26][0.8]
Stuart Turley: [00:39:27] Yeah. So as a ASN producer, you know, you could sit there and have me on a thing with a treadmill, with a donut, you know, as your, you know, saying, Hey, this phrase in productions, anything you see a fat man running around, and I. [00:39:41][14.1]
Heidi McKillop: [00:39:41] Like this little hamster. [00:39:42][1.2]
Stuart Turley: [00:39:44] Okay, Never mind. That was horrible. Okay, But now for next time, we’re going to have to come up with we had Greg, who was a van tastic member of parliament. He was absolutely a hoot. We love him. [00:39:58][13.7]
Stuart Turley: [00:39:58] We had Terry, who we called Lord Terry Brown, you know, energy now and we’ve got to think up something else next time. Who else? Who else can we make their lives totally miserable by doing on Team Canada in 45 minutes? [00:40:18][20.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:40:19] I don’t think that we’re miserable either. I don’t know. I’ve retired here and nothing negative and say I think we’re pretty cool, but no one got hurt. You’re still. [00:40:26][7.7]
Terry Etam: [00:40:27] In filming? Yeah. [00:40:28][0.7]
Heidi McKillop: [00:40:30] Its okay, I mean, it’s fine. its fine. [00:40:33][3.3]
Stuart Turley: [00:40:34] Anyway, I so appreciate. I so appreciate you do. And everything else that we’re having fun with. And the key thing that we need to leave on this one is I’m going to go around the horn for the last one. [00:40:45][11.6]
Stuart Turley: [00:40:46] But A, we love people, believe it or not. We believe everybody should have the lowest kilowatt per hour and the least amount of impact on the environment and the most fun because my name is stupid. My last name is PID. [00:41:02][15.8]
Terry Etam: [00:41:04] That’s pretty harsh. [00:41:04][0.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:41:06] Anyway. [00:41:06][0.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:41:09] I’m the Rodney Dangerfield of the energy market. Anyway, Heidi, I’m going to give you your last word, then we’re going to let Terry close up. [00:41:17][7.7]
Heidi McKillop: [00:41:18] Well, I mean, I think what it comes down to again is this, you know, something that I’m always going to be passionate about. It’s because my company mission is just to market oil and gas in a more positive light and really look at the solutions moving forward because that’s, to me is the most important aspect for young people because I don’t want to be stuck with this problem. [00:41:37][20.0]
[00:41:39] I’m really nervous about what’s going to happen in 15 years with policy changes, and I get really concerned about the connection in North America for young people and between their goods and their products and also how we take for granted our way of life and our way of living is just something that is so not a normal thing internationally. [00:41:59][20.5]
Heidi McKillop: [00:42:01] So. It’s it’s definitely my mission. And a lot of people have asked me like, will we ever you go out of this and like, no, because this topic will be with us for my end of my life. [00:42:12][11.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:42:12] So being part of it and moving it forward and having better communication for the industry, I think it’s just the most important mission to have of all. Because again, like we’ve talked about internationally, this is about livelihoods, it’s about people, it’s about our supply chain, it’s about animals, it’s about farming or environment. I mean, it’s everything. So that’s that’s always going to be the case for me. [00:42:38][25.2]
Stuart Turley: [00:42:38] Tick tock and. [00:42:39][0.7]
Heidi McKillop: [00:42:40] Exactly. [00:42:40][0.0]
Stuart Turley: [00:42:41] Insta who or Instagram, whatever it is. [00:42:43][1.7]
Heidi McKillop: [00:42:43] Exactly. I mean, all those things that young people love to have. And that’s just going to be an aspect that they’re going to have to. I don’t want to. [00:42:53][9.9]
Heidi McKillop: [00:42:53] I’m actually very curious to see if there will be an awakening in, you know, let’s say ten years, 15 years when people my age are going to be the top leaders of the country. [00:43:03][9.5]
Heidi McKillop: [00:43:03] It’s it’s going to be fascinating to see what that ideology and those policies are going to look like. It’s a little terrifying, but it’s okay. I’ll be here for the ride. [00:43:12][9.1]
Stuart Turley: [00:43:13] Yeah, maybe I will be, but I’ll probably be in a wheelchair and comatose and Tracey Terry, bring us in. [00:43:21][7.4]
Terry Etam: [00:43:23] So I think that that’s what Heidi is working on as key. I think just so that people stop trying to kill the fuel supply while we have it. But I think this whole conversation and even what you’re saying about moving to greener energy, I think that’s the hope. [00:43:36][13.4]
Terry Etam: [00:43:38] Once the dust settles on trying to kill hydrocarbons, people are starting to think about their footprint a lot more than they ever have, which I think is a really good thing. People are really people think about it now instead of just doing something on autopilot,. [00:43:50][12.0]
Terry Etam: [00:43:50] Like, well, what is the footprint of doing this? Is it is this a wise thing to do? Is it good to buy new clothes every six months just because they’re cheap? Is it should I take should I buy a 500 horsepower car? Should I get something that gets better mileage or should I waste comes to mind more than it ever has? The recycling, things like that just it’s all part of that mentality which I think has to get better. [00:44:15][24.8]
Terry Etam: [00:44:16] And I think that even the people, it’s so the people that produce hydrocarbons can understand this because they know what goes into making them. The people that want to clean up the environment can see that too and there’s that in the young people at some point, young people are going to start realizing when they the kick talkers, when they get into positions of power, they’ll realize like how many data centers are required for all of these tik-tok and YouTube videos. They’re like, They’re endless. [00:44:42][25.7]
Terry Etam: [00:44:42] The United States has something like 3 million data centers, and each one of them is a power hog, and they’re just multiplying year by year and so there’s a footprint, all of this stuff. And so what do we want? We have to start making choices if the whole world is going to live like us, we have to start making choices. [00:44:56][14.1]
Terry Etam: [00:44:57] So the focus that’s being put on wiser use of resources and mining things to it. But if you want to go all green, what’s the cost of having electric vehicles everywhere? What does that mean in terms of new mines, in terms of where are they going to be and what they’re going to do to the environment and endangered species. [00:45:15][18.2]
Terry Etam: [00:45:16] People are thinking about these things a lot more as part of the general discussion, which is a good thing. So there will be good that comes out of this once we kind of come to some sort of equilibrium where we stop trying to kill each other and start pulling in the same direction and maybe that will be Heidi’s generation. That’s a that’s what we’ll do. [00:45:32][16.3]
Stuart Turley: [00:45:33] Well, what we ought to have is, Heidi, since she’s the CEO of ASN Production, we got to get her groomed up to start running for prime minister. [00:45:42][9.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:45:43] Oh, God, that would be terrifying. [00:45:46][2.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:45:48] Hey, one last word of humor, and that is Austria. Austria you just got to love. I found out that I was writing an article and sure enough, Austria in 1978, they were they built a nuclear reactor, never brought it on. In 2011, they were leading the world in green energy in 2009. [00:46:11][23.4]
Stuart Turley: [00:46:15] They brought that nuclear reactor online using solar power. The reactor is still shut down. It’s only used for training. It’s never provided power to the community except by a solar panel that is in there. The reactor is not generating power. [00:46:35][20.3]
Terry Etam: [00:46:37] Ouch. [00:46:37][0.0]
Heidi McKillop: [00:46:37] Ouch. [00:46:37][0.0]
Terry Etam: [00:46:38] Pretty expensive. [00:46:38][0.2]
Heidi McKillop: [00:46:40] Thats a really expensive mistake. Yeah. Yeah. [00:46:43][2.5]
Stuart Turley: [00:46:43] Retro. So, anyway, thank you guys again. And let’s see if we can find another Austria out there to talk about next week. [00:46:50][6.6]
Heidi McKillop: [00:46:50] Okay. Thanks Stu. [00:46:52][1.8]
Terry Etam: [00:46:52] Okay Thanks Stu [00:46:52][0.0]
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