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A Very Convenient Waring – Gregory Wrighttone on the Energy Realities Live
Stuart Turley [00:00:01] And here we.
David Blackmon [00:00:10] Oh, I just love that intro. Welcome, everybody to the Energy Realities Podcast for what is Today May 13th, 2024. I’m David Blackmon. It’s my week to host this shindig. With me today, our fellow panelists, Stu Turley, the CEO of Sandstone Group, the company that, well, it’s a wide ranging company that produces this podcast and many others and is engaged in all sorts of investment business as well. Stu, how are you doing this morning?
Stuart Turley [00:00:40] It’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood.
David Blackmon [00:00:42] It is a beautiful day in Texas, too. Next up we have Tammy Nemeth. Tammy, where are you today? You in Canada or the UK?
Tammy Nemeth [00:00:49] I’m in the UK today.
David Blackmon [00:00:51] All right. She’s in the UK today. She’s also in Canada. She goes back and forth all the time. We never know where she is. It’s a real mystery. And then there is Irina Slav. We know Irina is in Bulgaria today, right?
Irina Slav [00:01:03] Yep.
David Blackmon [00:01:04] Yep yep. How are you doing today?
Irina Slav [00:01:06] I’m great, thank you.
David Blackmon [00:01:08] Well, good, good. And our special guest today is is a wonderful writer, author of a new book called Very Convenient Warming, which is. How many books does this make now, Gregory? Gregory Wrightstone, by the way.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:01:21] Well, this is my second of of on this topic. Yeah.
David Blackmon [00:01:26] Yeah. And I have your first book and I’m, I’m sorry. I’m old. I’m forgetting the name. What’s the title? Very.
Tammy Nemeth [00:01:33] Inconvenient.
David Blackmon [00:01:33] Inconvenient facts. I met you 5 or 6 years ago. Now, you were at a typical conference in Houston, Texas. But. Yeah. And it’s a wonderful book. It’s it’s full of amazing facts, about the truth about the climate and climate change in general. And we’re really honored to have you with us today, Gregory.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:01:55] Well, thank you. Just that book just Won’t Die. It was back as a number one bestseller in several categories, month and a half or two months ago, because, my girlfriend, Candace Owens has been pushing. She just loves me and my book. And, yeah, she has a huge audience and she’s been referencing it. So the, the sales of that first book just are really strong. And this new book was just released. It will be back to it. We’ll get to number one, maybe since we’re now here with, you know, David Blackmon, Stu Turley, Irina Slav, Tammy. Let’s get it to number one now.
David Blackmon [00:02:36] Absolutely. Let’s do it. Let’s do it. Tell us about your background. It’s just so folks know you’re not just some guy writing a book, right? You’re you’re an actual scientist. Tell us about your background.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:02:48] I’m a geologist, and I did that actually, as a as an employee, geologist did exploration work all over the world, including Algeria. I was at the forefront of the shale gas revolution in the Appalachian basin. That got me to go around India and speak at, conventions in India, China and elsewhere. And I got hooked by the the climate nonsense. It was I knew as a geologist some of what we were being told was false, and I suspected other things were. And so this was this is, the first book was really an exploration for me. What? Finding out what is the truth? And what I found out frankly angered me. I saw that scientists were not telling the truth about about climate change, about what’s actually happening. In fact, just the opposite in many cases.
David Blackmon [00:03:48] Well, I want to I don’t want to dominate the conversation here. I want to open it up to my fellow panelists for questions. Who who wants to pose a question to Mr. Wrightstone.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:03:58] Kind of before before we get into that too, I should mention that, I have been accepted as an expert reviewer for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Right. And I’m also leading in a CO2 coalition as their executive director. I’ve been I’ve been recently been the basically the, the face of this group and the spokesman. And now we’re approaching 170, members that are top scientists in the world. They include, John Clouser sits on our board. He’s the Nobel laureate in physics. Will have to Glenn’s in a number of. He doesn’t Dick doesn’t sit on our board anymore. But, Patrick Moore, co co-founder of Greenpeace. So these are these are serious scientists dealing with a serious subject. And we stick to the science and try and stay away from the politics. It’s hard to do it with this subject matter.
David Blackmon [00:04:52] Yeah. And it is hard to do because it’s also intertwined these days. And it’s, it’s unfortunate, but that is the way it is. Somebody that I interrupt, someone.
Stuart Turley [00:05:02] Let me, just drop this in here real quick. This is al Gore. Al Gore is letting us know that, he. He’s still around, so hang on here, there, he.
Fox Reporter [00:05:10] Said back in 2009 375% chance Arctic ice gone within the next five years seven years, eight years later Arctic still here. Let’s look at fossil energy stocks. On Chevron. The closing a day higher. We got greedy stuck Tesla in for.
Stuart Turley [00:05:25] Sorry that was that was al Gore. He was just trying to be relevant for a few minutes. Sorry. I didn’t mean to interrupt you.
Irina Slav [00:05:31] There’s no. That’s okay. I wanted to ask a very simple question. Why are so many people lying about climate change?
Gregory Wrightstone [00:05:39] That’s a good question. I’m I’m asked that a lot and I’m going to my my stock answer is I don’t know because I can’t see inside men’s and women’s souls to see what their motivation is. I but we do know as a scientist, I know I can tell you what they’re saying, and then I can show you, show you the facts that dispute these claims of of increasing fires, expanding deserts, increasing rapid increases of sea level rise. We can we can use science, facts and data to push back against, against this, Irina. You’re just as qualified. And Tammy and Stu, you’re all just as qualified and everything. Anyone watching this, tell us why they’re doing it. As a scientist, it’s my role to tell you what. What the truth is about these claims. And is it control? Is it funding? It could be all these things. We do know that if you don’t toe the company line on climate change, you’re. Your funding will dry up, and you may be booted out of the university setting that you’re in.
David Blackmon [00:06:48] Yeah. Yeah. There’s no question about that perverse incentive for sure. Tammy.
Tammy Nemeth [00:06:55] I really liked in your most recent book, the section on biodiversity and the whole sixth extinction, mass extinction, which is just ridiculous when you think about it. And I really like how you guys, you, you brought in the facts about, you know, this is how the data is being manipulated. And, and I think that kind of speaks to Irina’s question with, with respect to why, why do they like the fact that they have to manipulate the data is is so striking. And I’m wondering if you could just speak a little bit for maybe people who don’t know what the sixth mass extinction is and what.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:07:31] Their claims that extinctions are, are increasing greatly. That there we’ve not seen anything like this since the fifth mass extinction, which. But the death to the dinosaurs, there’s just a completely false, what we see is there was a U.N. report released a year and a half or two years ago that claimed that, they had a chart that showed skyrocketing extinctions. But I looked at that chart, and I look closely. My my internal B.S. detector was ringing loudly, and I, I said, something’s not right here. And I went back and I looked and they only used one data point per century going back to the year 1500. And they did it cumulatively. So one century on top of the next century to get it to look bad. And I went back and looked at that same data from the IUCN Red list, which is the Bible for endangered species, and the Red list I looked at. They report extinctions by decade going back to 1500. And I found that contrary to the UN plan, the UN claimed that there would be 1 million species at risk of extinction in the next several decades. Wow. Went back and looked and nothing of the kind. If you look at it, you’ll see that extinctions did peak because of us in the late 1800s, early 1900s. We were introducing, non-native species, rats, things like that onto the emotionally the these extinctions occurred on on islands even Australia, New Zealand, and these species because just got wiped out because we were introducing these non-native rats and things to the, to the islands, since the early 1900s. So extinctions, the rate of extinction has been in significant decline, completely opposite of the claim from the UN, the UN report, if you figure it out, they’re claiming that 25,000 to 30,000 species are going to go extinct over the next 30 years. Well, think about that. According to the data, over the last 40 years, we’ve averaged hmhm, not 200, not 2000 200,000. We’ve averaged two species going extinct per year. Quite a bit different than their claim of 25 to 30,000. And that’s what the data shows us. This isn’t government data and that I used in that book. And it’ll be interesting. We just completed we’ve got a series of videos we’re doing here at the CO2 coalition. We’re putting the Climate Chronicles to the CO2 coalition, YouTube page. We just posted our last one yesterday. Excuse me. Friday. On extinctions. These are high quality, videos that we’ve got. If you go to the go to our website and search for extinctions to find that.
Irina Slav [00:10:29] And there is also, the issue of species being rediscovered. You know, animal species that were thought to be extinct are being rediscovered. I that’s what we wanted to do, a little bit of searching and to to collect some information. She got to about a dozen and said I can’t do it anymore. There’s loads. There’s not a species being discovered. But that’s also widely right. Yeah.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:10:59] And the key here, when we talk about extinctions in the U.N., I agree completely with the UN’s claim in the same report that what’s the greatest risk for endangered species? It’s habitat loss. I agree with that. What’s their solution to this non-existent climate crisis? Pave over tens of thousands of square kilometers of grassland prairie. Cut down mature forest to put up wind turbines on mountains of hills. So there’s solution is more habitat loss. So I guess we have to. We have to destroy the environment in order to save it.
David Blackmon [00:11:38] Well, I mean, the state of California just approved a an enormous solar farm. It’s going to cover, like, 10,000 acres of the Mojave Desert. And they’re they’re gave them permits to dig up and kill 4200 Joshua trees, which are on the protected list, of the Endangered Species Act here in the United States. So that’s what they’re willing to do to to build just one solar farm. And not to mention all the arable farmland that’s getting covered up with solar panels and condemned by big wind farms these days.
Tammy Nemeth [00:12:13] Well, I think with the whales.
Irina Slav [00:12:13] populations, yeah, and whales in.
David Blackmon [00:12:17] The U.S. and the whales. Right. Yeah. Right.
Irina Slav [00:12:21] It’s different. So just double standards again.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:12:25] And we talk about, you know, wind turbines to killing millions every year of birds, bats, birds, and particularly maybe billions of insects, which are, yeah, the base of the food chain. And, you know, people will push back the the climate alarmists will say, oh, but catch, kill many times as many birds as one turbines. But the birds that these wind turbines are taking out, they’re not sparrows or robins, which we have in huge quantities. These are the big, hawks, golden eagles and bald eagles.
David Blackmon [00:13:03] Right.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:13:03] And bald eagles. The take limit for the from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is over 15,000 bald eagles are allowed to be killed every year, which is unconscionable. And I’ll suggest, if you have a cat that can take down a golden eagle and kill it. Keep that daggone cat away from the grandkids.
David Blackmon [00:13:25] My kids can’t even deal with ravens. My cat thinks he’s tough, but he can’t even deal with a raven out in our front yard, so we keep him in. If so. Oh, God, I forgot what I was going to ask. Oh. The whales? Yeah. Your point about taking permits. You know, it’s not widely known that, Betsy, the federal agency over the the US offshore has issued more than 80 take permits to big wind developers in the northeast to kill whales. So I but at the same time, NOAA, another federal agency, has issued a study saying the assuring us that the wind farms have no impacts on the whales. Well, folks, the reason you ask for a taking permit is because, you know, if you’re a developer, you know your project is going to kill whatever species you get in the permit for to kill. Okay. And so I, you know, I just wanted to make that point and I’m sorry to cut in there.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:14:32] And the whales that they’re talking, the whales are talking about are the right north North Atlantic right whales, which are maybe some of the most endangered. Yeah, it probably is the most endangered species on Earth, and there may only be less than 200 of those left. And the takings that they’re talking about that have been approved or are more than double what the entire existing population is. So, in these whales, too, they could be harmed terribly, through, the, the sonar. And now they’re going to start driving pile driving, which could damage, their navigation. And, and these whales could, you know, if they’re damaged, in their hearing damage, they could travel hundreds of miles before they’re maybe hit by a ship or whatever they’re driving these whales into, into what are now the shipping lanes.
Tammy Nemeth [00:15:22] Yeah, that’s just unreal that like you said in the book, it’s. You got to destroy the environment and destroy the whales to save the planet or something, which is just so ridiculous. One of the questions here says, what do you think about CO2? You’re part of the CO2 coalition. And I know there’s a big chunk in your book talking about the greening of the earth and everything. And, maybe if you could just share with everybody what, what you what’s your what’s your position on CO2?
Gregory Wrightstone [00:15:52] It’s hard to. It’s hard to separate. What’s happening today with climate change? And are are we in a warming trend? Yes, of course we are. We’ve been warming for more than 300 years, and that’s the important part. We’ll get to the CO2 part of this in a moment. But that warming trend started more than 300 years ago in a very low carbon dioxide environment. And so the first 250 years of this warming trend, it had to been naturally driven, not driven by increases in CO2. And we’ve seen huge benefits. And of course, the title of my new book is, is a very convenient warming. How modest warming and more CO2 are benefiting humanity. And that’s that’s really, really I call it the greatest untold story of the 21st century is this is how Earth’s ecosystems are thriving and prospering. And because of that, because of warming, more CO2, nitrogen fertilizer, the human condition is improving. Humanity is benefiting from the warming trend. We see that growing seasons are. And that’s a huge, huge benefit for agriculture killing frosts and earlier in the spring arrived later in the fall. So you can get more plantings in if you’re a if you’ve got an apple orchard, what do you fear? The worst? You fear a late spring killing frost that can just wipe you out for the year because of this warming? In fact, in the continental United States, the warming has meant we’ve seen a more than two week increase in growing seasons in the continental United States. And we see similar, similar, of course, throughout the world. And what we’re seeing this is being turbocharged by increasing carbon dioxide is fueling plant growth. One of the arguments that’s been made to push back against this as well. Yeah, they can’t be the alarmists cannot dispute that CO2 is driving crop productivity higher and higher. All right. But what you’re saying it’s causing a decrease in nutrition. And we yeah, we’ve just completed a new paper on that. Doctor William Happer doctor from and we’ve got another professor from Paraguay. We’ve teamed up, to create this new paper that disputes that. We took a look at the nutritive values of agriculture in a high CO2 environment, to find that that’s just false. In fact, the problem in the past has been low CO2. That wasn’t allowing, crops to reach their full potential. Full growth potential? We’re not there yet. Crops will continue benefiting. We’re at 420 parts per million, which is a 50% increase since the Industrial Revolution. And that increase is due to burning the fossil fuels mainly. And I’m okay with that. I because more CO2 is better. Our our unofficial motto here at the CO2 coalition is, we love CO2 and so should you. And, so we’re huge proponents of that. And also the other thing here with. Agricultural productivity is an increase in the use of nitrogen fertilizer, which, might be responsible for 30 to 40%, of crop productivity increases over the last 50 years. Those three, those three things, warming CO2 and nitrogen fertilizer, are means that we’re breaking agricultural productivity records year after year after year. In my book, I look at the top eight crops worldwide and find that each each of these eight, again, are just just breaking records in terms of tons per acre, bushels per acre, year after year. And the important thing here is crop productivity. Agricultural production is outpacing population growth. We have these these nihilists, these these people promoting Malthusian idea that we have too many people on earth. We need to cut back. As long as we’re able to feed them and it’s we’re going like it is, we’ll we’ll be we’ll be fine. And we can thank CO2 for that.
David Blackmon [00:20:09] And we can we can also thank CO2, these higher levels of CO2. Can’t wait for the greening of the Earth just in general. That’s happened over the past half century. If you look at old photographs, and one of my favorite anecdotes is from Ulysses S Grant’s, autobiography, when he was, serving in the Mexican-American War in 1948, I think he, he was on a, a, military march from Corpus Christi, Texas, over to Laredo, Texas, to go into Mexico during that war. And he writes about the landscape of South Texas and talks about the the absence of trees. There are no trees, he says. There’s no no vegetation higher than a scrub brush. Today, if you go down to South Texas, that same region of South Texas, it is covered up in oak trees and mesquite trees and and all manner of other kinds of big trees, and has been for many decades now. Isn’t that really that that’s happened due to the increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, right.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:21:14] It is, it is, and warming up. Yeah. Because the warming means that we can have vegetation and growth of. All right, higher altitudes, higher latitudes. So with apologies to, to Jimmy Buffet, it’s really about, changes in latitudes, changes and altitudes rather than attitude. So we’re seeing that a greening of the Earth, we’re seeing, because of CO2 fertilization, deserts are actually shrinking. Plants, are able to withstand drought and dry conditions better because of more CO2. There’s, we’re seeing the southern Sahara, an area known as the cell Sahel. It’s turned into a lush grassland. They’re farming there. We’re used to be nothing but but desert. And it’s it’s really, really a good story. It’s hard to, you know, they say if it bleeds, it leads. And that’s what we’re seeing with climate change. I can tell you, if you tell a pretty good story to make people scared. It’s a fact of fear is fear is one of the great motivators. Hunger. Fear. These are these are great motivators. And they’re using hunger and fear, to to push this climate agenda. And again, to arena’s question, I. What? What could possibly be their motivation? This is an anti-human agenda that we’re saying it’s it’s anti-human and it’s, I don’t want to be part of it. And this is my mission. And the mission of those of us in the C02 coalition is to tell the truth and get the facts out there. We we’ve just here at the C02 coalition, I’m going to brag on our people a little bit. We have seen just explosive growth of our group over the last two and a half years. People are responding to what we’re doing because we’re we are doing something. We’re we’re we’re we’re out there. Yeah. Going to the state capitals, testifying before governments. I was just back from Wyoming, testified at their Senate Agriculture Committee. A week after I got back, the Wyoming Senate voted 16 to 15 to strip $257 million out of Governor Gordon’s green energy budget, and they slashed it in the Senate. Agriculture Committee Chairwoman Cheri Steinmetz credited our work that we did and the report that we did on Wyoming, our title of of the book was Wyoming and Climate Change. CO2 should be celebrated, not captured. But she credited us for having giving them the science, the facts and the data. So that’s what we’re doing. But this explosive growth we’ve seen, David, it’s just been it’s amazing. We’re we’re getting 99.9 plus percent of of our donors are small individuals. You’re not.
David Blackmon [00:24:10] Getting fantastic.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:24:12] Job. I just want I’ll take it, but we don’t. We’re not saying.
David Blackmon [00:24:18] So this is a good time to tell people where they can go to contribute to your efforts. Before we go to, we have another good question from a viewer, but tell folks where they can go to contribute to the effort.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:24:32] At CO2 coalition.org, there’s a donate page there. It’s easy to find, and you’ll also find it at that website C02 coalition.org. It’s a wonderful, full of facts. I’ve been told it might be the best site about climate change. And also day that you’ll be interested to know we’ve, our membership was very concerned about the state of science education in America. And we said, you know what? We’re going to do something about it. We put a committee together. These are almost all PhDs, chemistry, physics, geologists. These were, you know, you would think these these people were eggheads, you know, with their with their vast degrees and their, and their physics. But what we’ve done with this group is amazing. We’ve got we launched our new website, which is CO2 Learning center.com, CO2 Learning center.com. So we’re publishing, books. The first series of books were a series of comics, that trace three girls in rural Oregon that lived on a tree farm. And we we give our science through these and their neighborhood, was a scientist, and he teaches these girls about what’s really going on. Our next series of books. I’ve just completed the first of this new series, and I call it Chloe. The clownfish sleeps well at night because she lives on the. She lives with her mom on the Great Barrier Reef. And she’s been told that you’re in great danger. And we’re using this as a vehicle then to tell what’s really going on with Great Barrier Reef. So I work closely with Doctor Peter Ridd, who’s one of the top, Great Barrier Reef experts. So he was our go to guy for. And that’s what we do. We go to the top experts, we get the science, we get the science right. And we’re seeing, for example, the Great Barrier Reef. oh.
David Blackmon [00:26:30] It’s yeah, it’s having an amazing resurgence.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:26:34] Yeah, And there’s been a recent bleaching event, but we find these bleaching events, it’s any time they get stressed, the coral polyps kick out the algae, they reside in them. And the coral itself has no color. It gains its color from the algae that lives inside of them in a symbiotic relationship. And then when they’ll find another algae, it’s a little bit different of all, acclimate better to whatever the condition changing condition is. But we see just the expanse of coral that the Great Barrier Reef is greater than it’s been since, probably 1980, when they started really measuring this.
David Blackmon [00:27:12] Wow. Well, we’ll include all that information in our show notes, by the way, folks. So. So don’t worry if you didn’t get the website’s down, we’ll we’ll have it in the show notes. Travis Lynn wants to get Mr. Wrightstone thoughts on where he envisions solar and wind can be integrated with existing. Carbonaceous energy infrastructure here in North America, finding synergies, if you will.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:27:35] Great question. Yeah. That’s a hard one to talk about, because I’m very much opposed to it. If we talk about electricity, there are three words that I use. Reliable, abundant and affordable. Yeah. Solar and wind don’t meet any of those qualifications. If you want. If you want reliable, abundant, affordable energy, you’re going to go to coal, natural gas, nuclear to in some. But Nuclear’s got its own problems with in particular, even if we embraced it fully today, we’re we’re 30, 40 years away from having enough nuclear derived electricity. So we’re we’re back to to coal, back to natural gas. And this the United States of America truly is the Saudi Arabia of natural gas in particular. We’re we’re seeing that in the eastern United States, where we have the Marcellus Shale, which is the the largest natural gas field in the world by far. And I was I was honored to be the coauthor of the first comprehensive peer reviewed paper done on the Marcellus Shale. It was back in 2007, and again, I got to travel all over the world. In fact, I was a keynote speaker at the first, one of the first, at least, shale gas conferences in China and in India. And so we’re this country is just blessed with generations, many generations of natural gas, resources and oil and coal.
David Blackmon [00:29:17] And coal, I mean, I think with demand skyrocketing the way it is, Gregory. And I wonder what your view is on this. I mean, demand is just is exploding, in this country now because of AI and all the other charging needs of electric vehicles and things like that. I think we’re going to have to not just stop mothballing coal plants. We may be in order to meet demand in in a spot, but we’re going to have to start building new coal plants here in the very near future. And I wonder what you think is possible.
Irina Slav [00:29:47] Do you think the federal government. I think.
David Blackmon [00:29:49] It’s possible, depending on how this next election goes. Yeah. Not to get into politics, but yeah.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:29:55] Yeah. There’s. Is it possible. Yes. But it would it would take an awakening in America and people in America, the politicians just the general population needs to be aware of the facts that are being hidden from them, and they are being hidden. And once they see what the facts are, people I, I, I just traveled from Florida yesterday and Uber driver people, just random people, Uber drivers, are just thirsty. Every single Uber driver I’ve ever ridden with over the last several years, just a general sampling of our population are just they just they agree with me. They want to learn more. They’re thirsty for this information. That that’s hidden from them. And they need to silence me and my colleagues at the, at the CO2 coalition because we make a compelling argument, not only compelling, but it’s science and fact based. And they have to they have to keep us quiet. They need to censor us. And they’re doing a really good job of it. And so it’s our our mission is how do we get our message out there? And there’s Cole. I just got back from Wyoming. As I said before, we toured the Black Thunder mine, which is the largest coal mine operation in North America. And what an amazing, adventure that was. I was there with Doctor William Harper and Doctor Byron support and myself. We we had a team that toured Wyoming. We spoke to three universities, concerning what’s going on, Wyoming specific data. And we’re doing that across the United States, but not just for Wyoming. I’m completing a study now on Arkansas. We’ve done regional studies on the Midwest and working on one for the New England to show people what’s actually happening with temperature. And we went to Wyoming and we showed we looked at the NOAA data, United States historical Climate Network data, to find that heat waves and maximum temperatures occurred 90 years ago during the during the, the, dustbowl years.
David Blackmon [00:32:07] So, Gregory, I can’t thank you enough. We probably should move on to the next segment of our show now. You are welcome to stay with us. We we we look at some stories from the past week, every episode and comment on those. And you are more than welcome to stay with us if you would like to for that segment.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:32:25] I, I definitely would like to, but I am absolutely swamped with.
David Blackmon [00:32:31] Okay. All right.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:32:32] I’m doing the Lord’s work.
Irina Slav [00:32:33] That’s good, that’s good. If you’re busy.
Tammy Nemeth [00:32:37] I wanted to add that I loved the the video that you guys did or the The Climate Conversation documentary video. That was really, really good. It came out before Tom Nelson’s, Climate Change, the movie, but I really like the way it was done to show that you can have a conversation about this. And it’s like what you said about the Uber drivers are people want to know more and have a conversation, but it’s really hard to have a conversation when the first thing out of the mouth is, do you believe in climate change? And you know, they want you to make some kind of, religious declaration like the Apostles Creed or something. And then it’s a lecture, not a conversation. And I just wanted to give you a shout out for that, because I really enjoyed that. And my kids enjoyed it as well.
Gregory Wrightstone [00:33:28] Oh, good. God bless you. Thank you very much, all. Thank you for having me on.
Stuart Turley [00:33:32] Thank and, shout out to your entire coalition, Gregory Wrightstone, and thank you so much for everything you’re doing. Doctor Patrick Moore, we’re getting reached out to him to get him on here as well. I’ve loved my conversations with him and others from your coalition. We are so happy that you stopped my. Thank you.
Tammy Nemeth [00:33:53] Thank you.
Irina Slav [00:33:54] Thank you.
David Blackmon [00:33:56] All right, well, let’s, go to the headlines. Headlines. Stu, take this is.
Irina Slav [00:34:03] So great that people are listening. Sorry, David. Yes. Very, very, very pleasantly surprised.
David Blackmon [00:34:12] Surprise. My God, we have
Tammy Nemeth [00:34:13] not a taboo. You can have a conversation.
Irina Slav [00:34:16] Yeah, but it feels like this propaganda is seeping into people’s brains and it’s making them numb. You know, they’re not questioning because people don’t really tend to question what they watch on the news or read grade online. Yeah, but apparently that’s not true. And it’s great. It is because once again, the climate deniers are overdoing it. They’re going into heart and it’s backfiring. And this is excellent.
David Blackmon [00:34:42] Who could have seen that coming?
Stuart Turley [00:34:43] You know, Irina, I do want to say that, it is Substack. It is great. Authoress is like you and I.
Irina Slav [00:34:52] And also for us, please. I think he was, you know, trying to come up with feminine words.
Stuart Turley [00:35:03] I know where your goat is tied up, and I just know, run over there and yank your goat whenever you know. And its
David Blackmon [00:35:10] a mad, mad man, Stu Turley.
Stuart Turley [00:35:12] Yes, I am, and it’s so much fun because people need the truth. And I think that’s one of the only reasons that our podcasts are doing so well is people are hungry, just like the, the, Uber drivers that Gregory was talking about. So, and I agree, I have to get my Bulgarian accent, fixed. I’ve got to work on that because I have to practice with Irina. Everybody follow Irina Slav on her Substack.
David Blackmon [00:35:44] And that’s a wonderful way to start the day, folks.
Stuart Turley [00:35:48] Okay. Sorry. I didn’t mean to ruin your day there, David. This I this is your. These are your stories. Yeah. And Tammy and and and Irina. I absolutely. David Blackmon’s energy absurdity of the day is one of my biggest treats of the day. David, I’ve got the video. If you’re ready, I want you to the video on this one because this is the lamest .
David Blackmon [00:36:19] Protest ever.
Stuart Turley [00:36:20] Protest I have ever seen. And it is. Go ahead and tee it up.
David Blackmon [00:36:25] All right. Let’s take a look, folks. Here we go. This is the Magna Carta in the English Library. The British Library shows me these two ladies, doing their bit with a hammer and chisel to break that glass.
Tammy Nemeth [00:36:41] And they would have wrecked it. They wouldn’t.
Irina Slav [00:36:43] Really.
David Blackmon [00:36:44] Erect it. Yeah, if they could.
Tammy Nemeth [00:36:45] There’s only four left in existence.
Irina Slav [00:36:47] This famous document is about.
David Blackmon [00:36:50] Yes. Okay, I don’t want.
Tammy Nemeth [00:36:52] So they’re going to break the law because it’s about David.
Irina Slav [00:36:56] Literally. How do you do that?
Stuart Turley [00:36:58] Yeah, let it run. But let’s turn the sound down.
Stuart Turley [00:37:02] There’s really no sound, David. And this is the lamest thing I have ever seen. And look at these older women that are going.
David Blackmon [00:37:13] one of whom is an Anglican priest, by the way. Yeah.
Tammy Nemeth [00:37:16] The one on the right. She’s been arrested before she was acquitted by a jury because she went up on top of a train to stop it from going or whatever to protest. She was she was arrested in 2019, 2021. She she got off whatever by the jury. She wrote a book called bodies on the line about her experiences. She’s the head. She was part of establishing an eco church in Bristol.
Irina Slav [00:37:47] So you know yourself now?
Tammy Nemeth [00:37:50] Yeah. So then they glued themselves together and they were going to glue themselves to the.
Stuart Turley [00:37:55] Case.
Tammy Nemeth [00:37:56] To the case because they have to break the case or whatever to get their hands off. I mean, and so this so, so she, as a reverend, is really replacing Christianity with the worship of Gaia. That’s, you know, which is just.
David Blackmon [00:38:12] A great message to send to the parishioners.
Irina Slav [00:38:15] I was watching this.
David Blackmon [00:38:18] It’s the weight one point I want to make on that is the point I always like to make on these protests is these ladies could not stay, just protest without the willing and active cooperation from the management and security personnel at the British Library, because to get into that place, you got to put your bag through an X-ray machine, you get wanded, there’s all sorts of security and cameras, and they had to be allowed to do that by management and security to stay there.
Stuart Turley [00:38:48] David, you’re the guy.
Tammy Nemeth [00:38:50] Videoing.
Irina Slav [00:38:51] Yeah. Nobody stop them from trying to chisel their way into the document.
Stuart Turley [00:38:57] Irina, the guy is saying don’t stop. Yeah. Last time I heard somebody say don’t stop, it’s like I’m going into a cookie jar and you’re not going to stop me. This is absolutely ridiculous.
David Blackmon [00:39:11] So. So to conclude, is is punishing these people is great. You need to do it. Throw them in jail for the rest of their lives. However short that may be. And, but you also have to punish the people who are facilitating what they’re doing. As soon as you start punishing the management and security personnel who enable this to happen. This kind of stuff will stop.
Tammy Nemeth [00:39:33] But not like that’s like the universities going on right now with all these stupid protests. The the university administration enables it, the the leadership of the British Library or the museums or the art galleries, they’re all enabling this as well. So. So how do we stop that?
Irina Slav [00:39:52] That’s why do they do they hope they’re going to get more visitors so people can watch people vandalizing works of art and historical artifacts?
Tammy Nemeth [00:40:02] Yeah, because they here in Britain, they think that people are swayed by the emotion that we care so much about Earth, that we’re willing to destroy the beauty and whatnot that humanity’s created. That’s the mentality and unfortunately, that that is persuasive to a certain segment of the population that tends to be wealthier, better off and has, you know, that that sort of upper middle class type of people, those are the ones who are who are doing the gluing and, and, terrorists.
David Blackmon [00:40:41] Or not, you know, these are not disadvantaged people staging these protests.
Irina Slav [00:40:46] Yeah, yeah. Are they.
David Blackmon [00:40:46] Minorities? For the most part, they’re almost universally white people.
Tammy Nemeth [00:40:50] Yeah. And because the I think people who are not as affluent understand that what they’re doing makes energy more expensive and makes people live by toil rather than having, having a good life.
David Blackmon [00:41:07] Yeah, yeah. I’m going to I’m going to let’s go on to to someone else. We’ve spent too much time on me. Whose are these?
Irina Slav [00:41:15] These are mine.
David Blackmon [00:41:17] Okay, go with this.
Irina Slav [00:41:21] Yeah, that’s that’s actually the first one. Full story about the I and Opec+ ties in very well with the two old ladies, because the old ladies are trying to destroy the Magna Carta. And they want to just stop oil. But the IEA, which also wants to stop oil is now warning OPEC plus. So keep pumping because otherwise oil will get too expensive and this will fuel global inflation. And yeah my.
David Blackmon [00:41:54] God.
Irina Slav [00:41:55] If you.
David Blackmon [00:41:55] Don’t make this stuff.
Irina Slav [00:41:56] Just please read it. Yeah yeah there is no censorship. There is no censoring.
David Blackmon [00:42:08] If weight isn’t, isn’t oil what’s causing global boiling? According to the U.N. Secretary-General.
Tammy Nemeth [00:42:16] Yeah, apparently
David Blackmon [00:42:17] I’m a Little confused here anyway. Sorry.
Tammy Nemeth [00:42:19] First on fire.
Irina Slav [00:42:21] I don’t think they think about what they say.
Tammy Nemeth [00:42:27] Like no memory what they say. One week is contradicted in the next week.
Irina Slav [00:42:32] Absolutely. And you have no qualms about no misgivings at all?
Tammy Nemeth [00:42:37] Yeah.
David Blackmon [00:42:38] Shameless is such a cool memory and no shame.
Irina Slav [00:42:43] Yeah. And the funny story is that the UK has decided to not try and switch people from natural gas heating to to hydrogen heating because of local opposition and because you wouldn’t you won’t believe this because of the cost.
Tammy Nemeth [00:43:05] They said the money would be better spent subsidizing heat pumps, which don’t work so well.
Irina Slav [00:43:12] No it’s not. They made this new discovery that the hydrogen they wanted to use is not going to be free. It’s not going to cost pennies either.
Tammy Nemeth [00:43:22] Will they? I like to think we don’t have enough supply of hydrogen. Yeah.
Irina Slav [00:43:28] Okay.
Tammy Nemeth [00:43:30] Sure. But, I mean, one of the proposals that they were doing, arena, was that they were going to have the pipelines side by side, like the natural gas and the hydrogen. And then.
Irina Slav [00:43:45] Let’s go. When the hydrogen pipe blows up, it will blow up the neighboring gas. Yeah.
Tammy Nemeth [00:43:51] And so that’s why people were resisting and saying, what are you doing? This is this is crazy. What are the safety protocols? Has this been trialed in a different area because they wanted to do, like, a community of 10,000 homes or like it was quite large and they said, can we do a small trial first and see how that works? Other issues, you know, what if something. Explodes, you know. But and so in the end, they’re like, okay, we’ll just scrap it for now and, and subsidize heat pumps instead.
David Blackmon [00:44:25] So the, the new model is the Rishi Sunak government is a Hindenburg in every home. Right?
Stuart Turley [00:44:34] David, I was about to do the same joke, except I was saying the, you know, the, you know, I could see a model sitting there and going, you know, here’s the Hindenburg for the logo instead of an H2. Yeah.
David Blackmon [00:44:52] You cannot you just cannot make it.
Tammy Nemeth [00:44:54] Make it up.
David Blackmon [00:44:55] Oh, awesome. It’s just so awesome.
Irina Slav [00:44:58] So many people are working hard to make it real. Yeah.
David Blackmon [00:45:02] This is a.
Tammy Nemeth [00:45:04] That’s mine. Sorry that the headline didn’t come up. Right. So, ERM is there a sustainability thing? What place? Whatever. But they’ve decided to create a whole new business, called carbon markets, where basically they’re going to be. What’s the word for it? A pimp, I guess, is one way you could describe it, where if a company has too many scope three emissions, they will be the sort of liaison to, to match them up with carbon credits. And the, the point is to have the carbon credits of developing countries that are preserving their nature, so poverty and live in poverty. So if you have too many scope three emissions, which is oil and gas companies, then you’ll have to pay money, sort of a Dane geld to developing countries so that, you can get carbon offsets because the way all the new standards are like the Iasb standards and whatnot for global ESG. And the third, which they mentioned here in the EU, it’s absolute emissions. So even if you’ve got some kind of carbon capture going on, you still have to report your absolute emissions. And then you would get carbon, have to buy carbon offsets or whatever for your absolute emissions in order to balance it to towards zero. Which I
David Blackmon [00:46:31] if you have to do that, what’s the point of of capturing the carbon. Right. Isn’t that a double dipping.
Tammy Nemeth [00:46:38] Yeah. I mean there’s no real way to, to, to demonstrate that okay, I’m using carbon capture here. All you’re allowed to get is credit for buying carbon offsets from elsewhere. So, it’s stupid. Maybe they’ll fix it. I know it’s.
Irina Slav [00:46:58] I’m confused. The activists hate carbon capture because it will allow oil gas companies to keep producing more gas. They also hate carbon offsets for the same reason. Yeah. Yeah.
David Blackmon [00:47:13] They’re going to keep finding ways to engage in the scam. You know, it’s it’s amazing.
Tammy Nemeth [00:47:18] But but my sense is that these carbon markets might be more for, say, the, the data farms, you know, the, because we’re going to they’re going to take so much energy.
Irina Slav [00:47:30] Yeah.
Tammy Nemeth [00:47:31] Right. And so I think maybe they’re they’re designed more for that. But I mean, ERM will be happy to take money from whoever, whether it’s death by a thousand cuts to an oil and gas company or, you know, some kind of data server farm that needs to offset. They’re happy to take that money wherever you know they’ll be that that middlemen business people. Right. Right. For sure. And and then the other article there, there was a new study by, Philip Cross, the economists Philip Cross and Jack Mintz in Canada about Canadian resources and that Canada should stop being ashamed of of having resources because Canada has a lot of resources. And, the they talk about oil and gas and coal and everything is being the golden goose. But, all the different policies that are being implemented in Canada towards net zero basically kills that golden goose. And so, they’ve written a report and this article is just a summary of their, their main points, which is stop being so embarrassed about the bounty that Canada has and get out of the way and let us be able to develop it and use it. It’ll help the world and Canada.
Irina Slav [00:48:42] Yeah, that’s an.
David Blackmon [00:48:44] Good point. Yeah. Okay. And Mr. Turley?
Stuart Turley [00:48:50] Yes. How are you guys? A. Got it. Just a minute here. I got to give a shout out to the 25 states, for suing, the, you know, the over the regulatory issues. This is actually a home run. You know, I think that when you take a look at those 25 states and compare them where you want to live with the cost of energy in United States, they actually are where you want to live. So take a look at those DEA, those, attorneys in those states cross check in the US. If you’re not in one of those lawsuits, those states that are suing the federal government for their legislation through regulatory actions move, the next one, the pragmatic environmentalist of New York has got a great, article. And, I need to step out. And I hope everybody has an absolutely wonderful weekend. Sorry about that.
David Blackmon [00:49:50] Thank you Stu. Thanks, Nathan. User. When did the plus get added to OPEC? Plus? That was in November of 2016. Either you’re an oil exporter or an importer who falls into a plus category. The plus category includes Russia, Mexico and eight other countries that are not member of members of OPEC but are exporting countries. I’m sorry. What?
Irina Slav [00:50:14] Central Asian produces can son as a boy John. Right?
David Blackmon [00:50:18] Yes. Yes. And so yeah. And so OPEC plus consists of ten more or eight more countries than OPEC does. but OPEC is increasingly. Losing its identity. Just last week, they, decided to drop what, a monthly measurement they have been producing, that they referred to as the call on OPEC volumes, which is demand for OPEC’s oil. And now we’re going to change that to publishing a call on OPEC plus instead. And so OPEC is is kind of and the longer this coalition goes on, which has been very successful for the most part, and supporting oil prices at the level they want. You know OPEC is increasingly losing its identity. And, and the other thing I add is just that OPEC controls about 30% of global global production, whereas OPEC plus controls about 42% I think is the latest number.
Irina Slav [00:51:20] Yeah. Yeah.
David Blackmon [00:51:23] And thank you for that great question. That was really good. Geoff Chestnut gave us kudos for our great segment with Gregory Wrightstone. It really was.
Tammy Nemeth [00:51:31] Yeah.
David Blackmon [00:51:32] And. So where do we go? I guess maybe we have concluded our discussion here.
Tammy Nemeth [00:51:39] I wanted to add, because, David, you had that great. Absurdity post today about the culling for climate and Roger Pilkey Jr. I just put that in the comments there. He also took that up this morning on his Substack. So if people would know more about, about that little crazy.
David Blackmon [00:52:02] Well, I’m sure I’m sure Roger’s right up. Is is a lot more detailed and erudite than my lampooning of the guy was.
Tammy Nemeth [00:52:10] So I loved your lampooning. That was perfect.
David Blackmon [00:52:12] I think I think maybe.
Tammy Nemeth [00:52:13] I thought it.
David Blackmon [00:52:14] Was.
Tammy Nemeth [00:52:16] I thought it was hilarious that the guy was like, well, I’m pulling this. Not because I was wrong, but you misunderstood me. I don’t know how you misunderstand. We need to call people off the planet.
Irina Slav [00:52:27] Think I’m pretty? Pretty clear in the in the comments. It’s really funny.
David Blackmon [00:52:34] Oh, and.
Tammy Nemeth [00:52:36] Okay.
David Blackmon [00:52:37] LinkedIn user has added. Added is the plus equal to BRICs? Well not exactly.
Tammy Nemeth [00:52:43] No.
David Blackmon [00:52:44] That kind of sort of, but not exactly. BRICs also includes Russia, but it doesn’t include Mexico. In the Central Asian countries, BRICs does also include however, some OPEC countries now including Iran. United Arab Emirates, I believe. Arabia. And so. So BRICs also controls over 40% of global. Or at least represents over 40% of global oil production. Is is an increasingly powerful trade organization because of that.
Tammy Nemeth [00:53:20] Well, I think the differentiation is that there’s the OPEC members. And then the plus are they’re sort of aligned and they kind of watch what OPEC is doing. And then kind of. Try to take advantage of it to some extent, but they’re they’re like non-OPEC participants. I think that’s how I think that’s how the Energy Information Agency, describes it. So, yeah, it’s.
David Blackmon [00:53:52] Oh, the Energy Information Administration. Are you talking about EIA, the EIA story?
Tammy Nemeth [00:53:59] Yes.
David Blackmon [00:53:59] The one we can actually trust somewhat.
Tammy Nemeth [00:54:02] So far.
David Blackmon [00:54:03] Yeah. Anyway, with that, I suppose we can close out by showing this last video you had available to us.
Video Joe Biden [00:54:12] How many Times do we have to prove we can’t be trusted?
David Blackmon [00:54:16] That is Joe Biden summing up this whole thing.
Irina Slav [00:54:20] You got a stellar job. Yeah.
David Blackmon [00:54:25] Thank you all so much. It’s been so much fun. Thank you to all of our, viewers who submitted these great questions and comments. Always appreciate that. We’d like to even have more of them if next week when we come back. Irina and Tammy. I hope you have a wonderful week.
Irina Slav [00:54:42] You, too.
Tammy Nemeth [00:54:42] Bye, everybody.
David Blackmon [00:54:44] Bye everyone.
Tammy Nemeth [00:54:45] Bye.
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