We are facing crises globally and in the United States that are cultural and political and will impact our ability to raise the next generations. Energy is at the center of the issues and must be addressed for energy security and minimizing environmental impact. That being said, our public school and college systems are broken, and kids are being indoctrinated.
Debra Wold, Chairman, Grenlily Holdings, and on her LinkedIn profile: “Trash-to-Treasure to low-cost fuels.” Debra has been on the podcast several times, and I have genuinely enjoyed becoming friends over the last few years. Her vision for green, renewable energy is about being sustainable from day one with no subsidies! One must also include the total cost of energy projects; quality employees are one of the most critical assets holding up projects. (Right behind “Legislation through Regulations”)
In this podcast, we also discuss some energy, cultural issues, and solutions.
- Key shortages of all forms of energy workers
- Public School’s deterioration of quality and social problems.
- Jobs vs College
- Vocational training and apprenticeship
- Content creation for tests, curriculum and home school, Union, and other outreach.
Debra, Thank you for your time, leadership, and desire to make a difference in our next generation! – Stu
Follow Debra on her LinkedIn HERE: https://www.linkedin.com/in/debrawold/
02:16 – Discussing Grenelily and its activities
03:33 – Targeting municipalities and additional revenue
04:43 – Discussing grid problems and the need for generators
06:51 – Shared experiences and values learned from farming
09:10 – Changes in education and resistance to parent involvement
10:27 – Challenging curriculum and questioning fossil fuel narratives
13:50 – Discussion about the desirability of renewable energy sources
14:48 – Despicable waste disposal practices related to solar panels
17:24 – Discussing the challenges of power outages and grid stability
18:38 – Mentioning an energy documentary and the influence of Netflix
20:02 – Experimenting with different energy sources in New York
22:14 – Highlighting zero carbon footprint in waste-to-energy plants
23:12 – Suggestion of retrofitting coal plants for zero emissions
24:25 – Addressing the impact of regulatory actions on union jobs
26:22 – Discussing the importance of a well-trained workforce for nuclear energy
27:54 – Start of the conversation discussing concerns about unions and lithium battery technology.
30:04 – Talks about the affordability of homeschooling and the importance of investing in education.
31:38S – Questions about making homeschooling easier for parents working multiple jobs.
32:24 – Suggests that most homeschool programs are done online and talks about the importance of mobility.
36:23 -Expressing concerns about spending money on foreign aid instead of addressing issues like hunger in the U.S.
38:02 – Discussion on the impact of homeschooling on parent-child relationships and socialization.
40:57 – Debra Wold provides information on how to get in touch with her via LinkedIn.
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Stuart Turley [00:00:07] Hello, everybody. Welcome to the Energy News Me podcast. My name Stu Turley, president CEO of the sandstone Group. I have got a fantastic show for you today. I’ll tell you what, I’ve got an old friend of the podcast that is stopped by, and Debra Wald is such a fantastic influence in so many ways on LinkedIn. And she’s the CEO of Grenelily. And there’s a Grenelily holding and there’s several other companies. But let’s go ahead and get started on some of the topics that we’re going to cover today. We’re talking about the renewable energy. We’re talking about nuclear. We’re talking about humanity, but we’re also talking about one of the biggest movements in the US that is happening, and that’s the parents involvement in their schools and looking at homeschooling. There is curriculum that is out there, but the feedback that we are getting from Energy Newsbeat is the curriculum in the energy space, and we’re trying to raise money to help all of our content be turned into never. I think that was a horrible way to talk. Or in Oklahoma, we’re, uh, be turned into, um, we’re going to look to have automatic testing and, um. Everything turned into, um, testing for homeschooling. So, Debra, thank you for taking the time on something that you’re so passionate about.
Debra Wold [00:01:37] Thank you, Stuart, for having me again as your guest. I’m very honored as always.
Stuart Turley [00:01:41] Well, I’ll tell you, uh, you’re a, uh, retread, as I affectionately call great, uh, guests that have come back on and, uh, your episodes, quite selfishly, Debra, have gone ballistic. Uh, you’re what’s called an evergreen, and it’s nice. It’s not something you have to worry about. Your evergreen episodes are always in the top, uh, episodes that we put out. So, um, I always put that at the front of the show because everybody’s, like, top episode.
Debra Wold [00:02:17] So.
Stuart Turley [00:02:18] Uh, just tell us a little bit as we get started. What is what are you doing with Grenelily and what are your opinions there?
Debra Wold [00:02:24] Absolutely. So Grenelily Energy and Water is a business and development company. Again. Green holding is our holding company, which encompasses all the other companies. And we’ve been so privileged to stay in the green energy business by. Look, we’re going to simplify it down, know, because a lot of people are saying what is a waste to energy? Well, basically what we’re doing is we’re taking trash. If I had something trash in here and then transforming that into low cost fuel, low cost electricity, and we’re putting ourselves at the carbon neutral table where you have solar, wind, hydro, thermonuclear natural gas, oil, and there is a place for waste to energy and waste to energy is a key component because we’re taking seven and a half, let’s say, metric tons of trash out of the landfills and then turning that into low cost electricity, which is benefit for the economy and business and low cost, um, fuels.
Stuart Turley [00:03:17] And what are some of your biggest targets or municipalities? And yeah. Talking about additional revenue for the municipalities. I like that was a big segment as we watch, you know, what parts are listened to and where they spend time on the page, that kind of stuff.
Debra Wold [00:03:35] Exactly. And the reason why municipalities, because municipalities have residents and residents are families. So this all intertwined with the topics that we’re going to be talking today, because families are hurting right now with the economy and what the way things are naturally going, it is slowing down. What you’re going to be choosing between, like, do I buy groceries? Do I buy fuel? Do I, you know, those kind of questions are coming in so municipalities can benefit from this by way of passing it on to their residents, which therefore helps them in multiple levels.
Stuart Turley [00:04:09] You know, what’s fun is, uh, the FRC, which is the, uh, regulatory, uh, agency has been putting out debris. There are so many grid problems coming around the corner, and they’re saying, go ahead and get prepared. Get your generators. I can’t believe that I saw that from Secretary Granholm yesterday. She says, get your generators ready. And, uh, I’m like, they are so anti generator that what’s about to happen. I’m over here kind of going I’m always preaching you know be ready to prepare for your family.
Debra Wold [00:04:45] Right.
Stuart Turley [00:04:45] And and as you sit back and we talk about the cities how cool is that for the cities to build additional uh uh uh uh uh, our energy, which is renewable natural gas from their methane right out of the landfill so they can generate power for the cities. Uh. I’m sorry. I love your story. I I’m over here going green.
Debra Wold [00:05:10] Sorry. No, no, we feel this exact same way. And that’s why we’re so blessed to be connected to the owner of the technology and the patterns. And actually, what we’re doing, the little plug here, we’re going to be down in Aledo on the 17th doing a huge presentation. The owner of the technology is actually coming in and and yeah for one for definitely you know so we’re going to be having multiple entities coming in from the union politicians farmers farmers are because they need, you know, low cost fuels. Right.
Stuart Turley [00:05:41] Absolutely.
Debra Wold [00:05:43] And the same thing with electricity.
Stuart Turley [00:05:44] So if we don’t support our farmers, we don’t eat. And I’m a huge I’ve got some uh, uh, agricultural leaders, uh, coming by and uh, just starting uh, that uh, whole, uh, because, uh, the, the support for the, uh, it’s like all the Germans that we’re not seeing that on the news. And the German farmers are protesting. Uh, I love, uh, good farmer. I love the family farms. It’s how we got made as a country.
Debra Wold [00:06:17] Exactly. And one thing is, I grew up halfway on a farm, so basically, my summer times were working on three farms with my grandparents. And then, yeah, it was really good. And I learned a lot of values. I learned a lot of good ethics and morals and principles. My work ethic came from that.
Stuart Turley [00:06:33] Yeah, I’ll tell you, my work ethic came from my grandparents who ran a dairy farm as well too. And my dad, who, uh, retired, is chief of staff of the Eighth Air Force. Uh, I kind of learned how to work hard all my life, but enjoy what you do.
Debra Wold [00:06:51] Exactly.
Stuart Turley [00:06:52] My dad enjoyed flying, uh, fighters all of his life, so. I mean, it’s like a ride. And then my granddad and everybody loved being farmers. Um, I mean, it’s tough, tough work, and you’re learning how to do that. But as we talk about the energy thread in this particular story, uh, we’re seeing, uh, Deborah, you and I had been talking about the homeschooling and the, uh, green movements that are pushing non humanitarian languages, and, and that means that they’re looking at putting wind of power that is not sustainable based on, uh, you have to have the subsidies. And we’re seeing the ESG investing. And now how this works with your schooling and your homeschool uh consortiums is they have no material because in the public school, you and I talked about, they’re being force fed one way, right? Wind farms and solar farms. But all these kids want phones. Hey, that’s electricity generation. Have you ever been able to make a phone for these kids out of a a windmill?
Debra Wold [00:08:14] No, no, not at all.
Stuart Turley [00:08:17] What did your consortium tell you specifically?
Debra Wold [00:08:20] Uh, we’ve been homeschooling our daughter since the time we began schooling. Um, we chose to do that because we knew that, you know, 20 some 30 years ago. At that time, there was PTA meetings. Parents could meet with the school board. They could bring their ideas to the meetings. The school board would say, yeah, I’m a parent. I agree to that. Let’s incorporate that into the system. But nowadays there’s this resistant and it’s like this to your interest to Nami that’s been building up with ideology. Now. Now here’s the thing. I have friends who are going into school to. To become teachers. I have friends who are current teachers, and I have friends who are retired teachers, and I’d say about 30 in my influence. Right? Right. And they all told me, all told me this. It’s better for you to homeschool right now with what is going on in the culture.
Stuart Turley [00:09:12] Wow.
Debra Wold [00:09:13] Now, this is 12 years ago. Because what’s happening is not what we were taught. We were told math, science, history, English, all the basic, all your, you know, your academics, right? But things have changed and you almost wonder, like, how far back does this go? When the two PTA meetings were no longer viable and there was no dialog with the school boards, with listening? And we’re not condemning anybody. But for myself and my husband, we have chosen to take on that responsibility. And there’s thousands of other families that are doing the same thing. And it’s happened more and more since Covid kicked in and kids were being taken home to school. Parents were seeing what the curriculum was that the kids are learning.
Stuart Turley [00:10:00] Right?
Debra Wold [00:10:01] Right. They were looking over their shoulder going, oh, that’s an interesting comment. But here’s the also thing too, with homeschooling and the energy, right? We were talking energy. My daughter was just doing a class on on science.
Stuart Turley [00:10:13] Right.
Debra Wold [00:10:14] That teacher had the audacity to say that fossil fuels were bad for the environment. I’m like, you’re in homeschool? Are you kidding me? So I wrote her a letter, and I’ve been in this program for a long time.
Stuart Turley [00:10:28] Right.
Debra Wold [00:10:29] And I said, on what premise and what foundation do you have to put in the curriculum that fossil fuel is not viable and good for the environment. You need to show me your facts.
Stuart Turley [00:10:43] Right?
Debra Wold [00:10:44] She wrote me a letter back and said, well, this is part of our new curriculum.
Stuart Turley [00:10:48] Exactly.
Debra Wold [00:10:49] And I said, well, then I have a suggestion for you, my dear. You need to get into the know. And, Stewart, I did bring you up, even though I’m not going. And this is a very large platform. Huge platform. Right. And I said we need to educate on facts, not fiction or what you’re being told. Right. Fossil fuel is never going to go away. Right. Because we need low cost electricity and we need low cost fuels. And your narrative. My daughter immediately took on that class.
Stuart Turley [00:11:23] Right.
Debra Wold [00:11:23] Because she said, no, mommy, I will not approve and say that fossil fuels are bad.
Stuart Turley [00:11:29] They flunked her.
Debra Wold [00:11:31] They blundered. That’s why I wrote that letter. Well, because it wasn’t on the test. Her test said all the things that they were supposed to say. And I said, darling, you go with your values and your morals and your principles and the way that you’ve been taught, not brainwashed. She knows logic and reason. Go ahead.
Stuart Turley [00:11:49] You know, this is why you and I are talking. Because, um, you know, everybody that listens to this show knows that I’m a human humanitarian first, right? I am energy agnostic from the standpoint that I like all forms of energy. As long as they deliver the lowest cost kilowatt, uh, to everybody on the planet. And I’m visiting with leaders in Africa, uh, tomorrow, uh, about how the West is taking advantage of Africa. But we have to deliver the lowest cost kilowatt per hour. And, uh, why is Germany having such high and, uh, um, interest, uh, high inflation, high energy cost? Why have they attacked, uh, the farmers? Why is California twice as expensive as Texas? And Texas is our largest renewable energy? Because you can use both. Why? Why is New York Governor Hochul trying to shut down natural gas? And, uh, let me get to the, uh, feed right now. And I want to see how many people were without power in what cities they are in right now. Good to go to. Let’s go to my power outage. Us. And right now there are about, uh, 100,000 people out of power in New York, um, and, uh, new Jersey and, and North Carolina and Michigan. Last night I looked at it and there was almost 700,000 people without power last night. So, um, and it’s the rest of the country. California had bad weather and they were like, uh, almost 300,000 without power a couple days ago. So, um, it’s about grid stability. Yeah. Why don’t they teach grid stability?
Debra Wold [00:13:51] I agree. Because, see, it’s like the elephant in the room, right? And you’re looking through the fence. You see that? You’re looking through the little hole, and you can only see a piece of the elephant. And that’s what they’re doing with the kids. And I should’ve never been on the other side. I like to tear down the fence and let’s get to reality because they’re the next generation. They’re going to have to come up with different types of technology to keep our grids going, to keep so they can live and have their generation to live.
Stuart Turley [00:14:17] Right. And what a great thing for Grenelily to be able to talk about removal of waste, because that’s one of my biggest pet peeves about solar and wind. Again, I love solar. I love wind. If it can be recycled, it cannot be recycled. We are dumping our, uh, millions of solar panels and putting them in shipping amount and putting them in other countries. How despicable is that?
Debra Wold [00:14:49] It’s disgusting. And how are we teaching children to be responsible? Socially responsible? There are children in other countries. So if you look at the United States, it’s a wonderful country. God has blessed us greatly. But why are we putting our burden? I remember a long time ago when they were shipping the trash from Canada. Uh, I think it was to the Philippines on barges. And I don’t know if those barges ever made it back to Canada. Let us say. Right. They might have got sunk, and maybe we don’t know, do we?
Stuart Turley [00:15:18] Right. Uh, no. And, um, uh, the whole thing about that is, um, it is despicable that the West is taking advantage. Uh, they’re, uh, they’re, uh, countries and other continents. And, uh, I would like to give a shout out to folks and say, um, not all Americans are the ones that are leading this country. Most everybody I talk to hates not being able to recycle your energy. Now carbon capture. Yay! Let’s get into carbon capture, I don’t care. Um, you know, let’s make sure it’s the least amount of methane being released. Uh, but, uh, the home school testing programs. Debra, would it help if we had all of our news channels and all of our stuff put in the testing, to be fair? So that is fact based for homeschooling consortiums?
Debra Wold [00:16:20] Absolutely. 100%. Because right now, what you’re having is a narrative taught from a scientific point of view, from people who’ve never been out of the school district or school lean, you know, subject matter experts to come in and say, I’m on the gas field, I’m on the oil field, I’m with the nuclear companies. We know what’s going on because we’re boots on the ground. Right? That would help the teachers as well. And I think a lot of scientific science teachers would be open, and even history teachers would be open, because the basics is the kids need to know what is going on, right? It’s not there, don’t need to know what fictionally is going on or you know, they need to know what’s real time going on. We take our daughter to the landfills because we say. She’s not foolish. She knows that these things are bad, right? But there’s no other alternative at this point to deal with the trend. You got to put it somewhere.
Stuart Turley [00:17:16] Right? You know what’s.
Debra Wold [00:17:19] Good?
Stuart Turley [00:17:19] It’s. Sorry. I never knew it would be dangerous because both of us talk with our hands.
Debra Wold [00:17:24] I know.
Stuart Turley [00:17:25] And we would be absolutely horrible in the same room. And, uh, you know, you’re your husband. And my wife couldn’t even stand near us because we’d be in each other, you know, uh, now, when we sit back and take a look at. There were some, uh, folks that, uh, I just found out about last week, and they had a great beginning. Uh, they just energy documentary exactly what we were talking about. And, um, they couldn’t get funding from Netflix unless they they were going to cover nuclear. They were going to cover wind, solar, natural gas, coal. They just want to lay the facts out. That’s what they wanted in this documentary. And, uh, they couldn’t get they could get the funding immediately, uh, to do this. But, uh, Netflix said, uh, unless you come up with a wind and solar narrative that we don’t need anything else, we won’t get you the funding. I’m like, wow, what about putting out fax? Fax in this manner? At least you just what?
Debra Wold [00:18:38] You know what you’re doing. Just thinking about it. A side thought, right? Why doesn’t Netflix run their whole entire operation on solar and wind and let’s see how successful they are.
Stuart Turley [00:18:47] Oh, absolutely. And I would love to go ahead and say, let’s make an experiment. I have to give a shout out. I can’t remember who’s who’s been saying this. Uh huh. Either was Michael Shellenberger or someone, and they were saying, let’s just let, uh, New York, um, go ahead and, and shut down all petroleum products coming in if they’ve touched petroleum. Uh, if you have to use diesel and only use electric generated by wind and solar. Yeah, I’m all in New York. Let’s have an experiment. Yeah. If they would be out of New York City, no tax and it would be. Uh. Did you ever see the movie with Snake Plissken? Uh, escape from New York?
Debra Wold [00:19:35] Uh, no.
Stuart Turley [00:19:37] You’re too smart. I’m sure you probably didn’t see it. And, uh, Snake Plissken was. They turned New York City into a, um, prison, and it was so bad. They’ve had the gate around it and everything else, and it had just turned into a wasteland. I think that’s what would happen in New York. You know, let’s use all forms of energy and have the least amount of impact on the environment.
Debra Wold [00:20:03] Exactly. And that’s what the children need to hear. Not the other. You know, it’s like social responsibility. A lot of the kids. So I teach religious education. And what happens is the kids come into my class, the public school kids, and there’s not that many homeschool kids. And they say, you know, we’re being told by our teachers, we have to save the environment this well, how do we do this? You know, that’s a lot of burden on us. So one of the kids had a bottle and they’re like drinking out of it. And one of the kids went to put it in the garbage can. Right. Oh, no, no, no. You can’t put it in the trash can. You got to recycle that. So I said, give me the bottle. I taught them a little bit about what we do. My mom, my daughter’s like, she’s a trash lady. So listen to mama. She knows what she’s talking about. And I said, we can take this, guys. I know that, lovely. I said, darling, better be careful that we can take this bottle, which is considered trash, right? Could be recyclable depending on what number it is, and transform it into treasure.
Stuart Turley [00:21:02] Yep.
Debra Wold [00:21:03] So you put it in the garbage can. You don’t have to sort it out. And you said, well, why are we being taught this in school?
Stuart Turley [00:21:09] Right.
Debra Wold [00:21:10] Why don’t we know about this? Because all we’re doing is feeling guilty. Because we’re not finding the right recyclable containers that this goes into.
Stuart Turley [00:21:16] Right.
Debra Wold [00:21:17] And that’s not educating them. Educating them is saying, got a problem like young Ellen does. Right? Right. Critical thinking. Let’s create a solution. Yep. That’s good. That would be like a perfect way. A segue into the homeschool program. Problems and solutions. Use that critical thinking process where they can implement it and figure out ways. Maybe there’s something even better than waste to energy, but the kids aren’t going to give an opportunity. And the challenged.
Stuart Turley [00:21:49] Um, absolutely. And and I’ve seen some of those life hacks that are absolutely hilarious where you see him on, uh, Twitter. I use almost Twitter and LinkedIn only. And I love it where you see a bottle being cut in a very nice way, and then they’re using it for rope, or they’re use reusing that plastic for things that you need around the house.
Debra Wold [00:22:14] Exactly.
Stuart Turley [00:22:14] I’m all in. I think that that’s wonderful. Uh, but more importantly, using it for energy and, um, not all recyclable, uh, plastics can be used, uh, safely. And so I’m trying to figure out that whole aspect of it.
Debra Wold [00:22:32] Yeah, you’re absolutely correct. And that’s the other thing too. With the technology that we have as a plug, there is our plants are zero carbon footprint.
Stuart Turley [00:22:40] Right.
Debra Wold [00:22:40] We don’t have smokestacks. So everything that’s out of that product that comes out of there, we can create so many different products. Well yeah. So where are you getting better than what we have before?
Stuart Turley [00:22:52] Uh, downstream products. So oil based chemicals could be made without, uh, smokestacks and waste. Yep.
Debra Wold [00:23:03] So coal plants, the same thing. I mean, there’s all kinds of options and ideas because the patent owner has all this.
Stuart Turley [00:23:10] Did you just say retrofit coal plants?
Debra Wold [00:23:13] Yeah. Betcha. Yeah.
Stuart Turley [00:23:14] Oh my goodness. Zero emission retrofit, zero emission coal plants. Do you know what that would do for the world? Uh, yeah. In 2023, the coal usage around the world has exploded. King coal is not dead yet. And when you consider the U.S., we have 80%, uh, fossil fuels, which I hate that word for electrical, uh, energy and generation, which is nuclear. Nuclear, um, uh, natural gas, oil and, um, um, coal and and so if you sit back and kind of go zero emissions, the Biden administration regulatory, uh, problems just released at 3:00 in the morning right before Cop 28. Uh, a whole new set of regulatory issues to shut down coal plants before they have the, uh, wind and solar electrical generation. You can’t really call them wind energy. You can’t really wind solar. They’re just designed for electrical generation. It’s not really energy.
Debra Wold [00:24:26] No. And when you take the coal plants away, you’re taking away union jobs. I mean, that’s another factor, right? So you’re hurting the family, which therefore hurts their education of their children.
Stuart Turley [00:24:37] You know, you you just said the word union. And and one of the things that I can see very strongly is the unions get a bad rap a lot of times, you know, and you always hear, you know, I do a lousy Putin imitation, Debra and a, you know, and I, he’s called up and said, you stink. You’re a lousy, uh, Putin imitation. And it happens to be the same one that I’ve seen for, uh, people on unions and on. Hey, you don’t do that, you know? And I mean, it’s like, that’s a bad excuse me, representation of unions. If we were going to go to small modular nuclear reactors. Smart. How? We need a well trained, um, uh, workforce. Yeah. That could support, um, building high tech things with regulatory issues. I’m all for good regulatory issues and well trained, um, uh, unions and making it happen because I don’t trust, you know, I’m going to say this, and I know I’m canceled. I don’t trust government, and I, I, I would prefer to have a union with regulatory issues, with good regulations, building our smart building small modular reactors. Um, Debra, uh, I just talked to Grace. Thank you. The, uh, when she was in Dubai. Uh huh. The UAE built a nuclear reactor running 25% of their power in five years on time and on budget. You can’t do that.
Debra Wold [00:26:23] No, no. And you know, I’m a union daughter, number one. Very proud of it, because my father was an ironworker. Number two. I have a union, uh, Tommy DeSanto. Sorry, Tommy, but I put your name out there. I adore him because he supports everything that we do because he brings in the union. Right? Union jobs for working families. It goes back to that nucleus where we need to be. And with our project, we’re going to construct them union and build them union. So we’re going to maybe spearhead it out there with everybody else. And Stuart you’re right. The union know what they’re doing. They have these wonderful apprenticeship programs that train the people that come in. Not everybody’s going to go to college and become a rocket scientist.
Stuart Turley [00:27:03] So and and I’m going to be honest with you, I, I would hate to pay and send my child to college these days because all they do is come out with absolutely no knowledge.
Debra Wold [00:27:15] Yeah, exactly. But you go to an apprenticeship program, it’s hands on. And I just read an article about Elon in his new school that he has for his children. It’s critical thinking and problem solving, but he’s not opening it up yet to everybody. But he homeschools his kids, in other words, in his own way. Right? I put some like the apprenticeship programs here. They give us problem. Let’s figure it out. You got these subject matter experts around them. They’re all union. They’ve been there, done that. They teach the kids how to take care of the problem. But do it right. Safety on time and under budget and accountability. Exactly, exactly. So that’s way it goes out.
Stuart Turley [00:27:54] You know what’s also sad about the unions is that the, uh, everybody has been on this, uh, EV, I love EVs only from the standpoint I love the idea of plugging it in the grid. Can’t support it. Yeah, and then the move to the lithium battery technology is robbing the kids in Africa. Excuse me? In China of their childhood and in. And so that is really a sad, sad component. But, uh, when we we sit back and take a look at the homeschooling and the education process, I’m proud of you. And I’m proud of the families that you’re stepping up. I grew up in upstate New York and then spent a lot of my summers in, in Anadarko, Oklahoma, um, and went to Oklahoma State University. So I’m, I’m in that farmer kind of thing with the the dairy farmer. Yeah. But Deb, back then in, in, uh, New York, New York had one of the best education systems because they had the Regents system for testing and then kept the teachers teaching high quality, um, science. Right. And everything else. And when I went to college, I was bored out of my mind. Coming out of college, uh, high school out of New York. Had a very good education system. Boy who went to hell in a handbasket.
Debra Wold [00:29:31] And that’s sad, isn’t it? It is funny being invested in Tibet and home schooling is not that expensive. I mean, we’re already paying taxes for our public schools. I mean, it’s not like it’s a benefit to us homeschoolers. We got to pay double taxes, in other words, because we do pay for our programs. But as parents, we take that responsibility and we put an investment into our children. You invest in right into their faith. Why not invest into their education? And it’s really important to invest knowing what’s the best homeschool program out there that teaches the facts.
Stuart Turley [00:30:06] How do we work in and take a look and, you know, uh, I’m looking for, uh, funding to help accelerate this, uh, program, uh, getting, uh, testing for all of my great podcast and also for the other podcast of David Blackmon and Ray Trevino on the crew truths and taking their knowledge on geo political. Uh, your podcast, I’m sorry would be great. Uh, you know, uh, I’m being selfish again because I really enjoy having you as a guest, uh, because of the numbers that you generate. But we’ll just go from there. But anyway, being selfish, um, and then getting that funding to create that and then get that into the, uh, consortiums at a good price point that it makes it, um, affordable so that we can generate more. I mean, it’s a, a which came first rate curriculum, which we now have, but how do we get that into the format to make it easy for parents in, um, this is a long winded way of asking a question. And that is, how do we make homeschooling easier for parents that don’t have the time and have to work two jobs? That to me is something that. How do we help that? I don’t know, I don’t even begin to know that answer.
Debra Wold [00:31:39] Well, most homeschool programs are done online, which makes it a lot easier when there’s a lot of mobility involved and a lot of parents. I don’t know if they’ve gone back to work yet in the office or not, but in our situation, I have a home office and other offices, and the cool thing about it is we had a union, um, presentation at the Lake of the Ozarks right in with me. We were there for about five days now. You know, her schoolwork right there sitting next to the pool. So the mobility is very important where I’m a plug out for what you’re doing to. I would encourage putting a list to the other all the homeschool, uh, uh, entities that are out there. There’s some very large ones. Right. And their various backgrounds use this as a marketing tool to explain to them.
Stuart Turley [00:32:24] Wow.
Debra Wold [00:32:25] The value add of what the outside world really brings into the real world that the children are living into. So they’re not getting a narrative from what people want them to hear, like wash and wash up. Right? They’re getting the reality of subject matter experts that come online like this, because all the time they have their own, like, uh, online programs. Right? So, for example, like, say, Ray would come on to Barney and she would say, let’s talk about the gas fields. Right. What’s going on with the gas fields? How are we making ourselves more green? Or you have David Blackmon come on and talk about what he’s doing, because all you do is do little segments like they do in the homeschool programs online, right? The pickers will learn and they’ll become more educated, the children will learn, and they will be able to pass that on to next generations. And I really believe that the homeschool programs will be very open to supporting this narrative, because the maybe the information that they’re getting right now is from past information.
Stuart Turley [00:33:28] Right?
Debra Wold [00:33:29] Because the moment my daughter ran her program when they started saying fossil fuel is bad.
Stuart Turley [00:33:35] Right.
Debra Wold [00:33:36] Someone’s teaching them wrong. So I took the initiative, write him a letter and say, oh no, no, no, where’s your facts? If you don’t know your facts, then I can help you go watch this. Right. This information. Right. That’s the the connective between the two with homeschooling and what you’re wanting to accomplish. And I know you well, this is bring it to them right in a marketing piece because parents will buy into this. We spend, you know, not an enormous amount of money on homeschool, right? If I know what my daughter is supposed to learn is going to help her in all the academic ways and scholastic’s ways. I’ll put all invest into her because she is our future. Not just for our family, but for America and for the generations to come.
Stuart Turley [00:34:24] Uh, and I don’t know enough, quite honestly, about the charter schools as well, too, but I’m talking to folks in there. They’re also, uh, good candidates for, uh, getting the right charter school. Uh, would be that, um, I used to work, uh, very heavily in the tech side for schools and loved all the educators that I work with, and. Yes, and everything else. And and schools changed.
Debra Wold [00:34:51] Yeah. Yes.
Stuart Turley [00:34:52] And, uh, I love the small school districts because you would walk in and the principals walking around, and all the kids were from the rural farms. And, I mean, we sat down and we had a wonderful meal, home cooked meal in the cafeteria. And I came in on a Friday and I realized that I noticed some of the kids were going back and forth for like three trips back. Um, and I’m sitting here kind of going, why is this happening in? The superintendent said, because these school, these kids won’t eat again until, um, until Monday morning. And so we have a gigantic breakfast. And so that principal and superintendent, they just knew what was going on. How do we get that type of stuff in there? And that to me, is where we need to be spending our money. And I’m going to go political one second. Why are we spending all this money to Ukraine, uh, when we don’t even have that kind of project? And I would love to have that kind of service for homeschoolers. Mhm. That to me would make sense. Yes. I mean, because we can’t get a, a, um, a dad or a mom who’s having to, to work that they can’t feed their family.
Debra Wold [00:36:24] Yes.
Stuart Turley [00:36:25] Does that make sense? I mean, um, it does.
Debra Wold [00:36:28] It does. And and you’re right. And it is hard on me right now with the economy going the way it is. Right. And mom and dad are stressed beyond comprehension. And they’re looking at. Okay, are they really looking at the we’re looking at putting food on the table. Right. Not really looking at the educational component that the kids are supposed to be learning. And it depends on what what level they’re at as far as, you know, their median income, let’s say for the families. Right. Right. I’ll give you a quick example. My daughter has a friend and they started a beautiful young lady. She goes to public school. We’re not going to identify anything else outside of that. And she started changing. Her clothes started changing, going from very feminine to not so feminine. Right. You’re printing started evolving out of this. And I told them, I said, I’m going to investigate this. So I contacted their mom and I said, have you noticed two income families? I said, do you notice any change with your daughter? Oh, she got her hair, long hair to short hair.
Stuart Turley [00:37:27] Right.
Debra Wold [00:37:27] Big, big question. And then it’s like little things do start changing with the kids. But if you’re working two jobs and you’re trying to put food on the table, right. Just trying to make a living. Buy groceries or buy gas. Sometimes your kids get lost, right? So I should be more aware of the body changing. Something’s not right. My daughter has really long hair. Not to say cut your hair is bad, but the the imagery.
Stuart Turley [00:37:53] So now you’re bringing up the hair thing here. I’m sorry. For podcast listeners. I got a flash for a hair color. Sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt. Just. Okay. Keep going.
Debra Wold [00:38:02] So the thing is, is that the bottom line is parents that have two jobs or, you know, trying to make ends meet don’t really have a time to look at the kids and see what’s going on. But a homeschool program would be able to bring the parents into it because do we don’t spend eight hours a day doing, you know, all the classes?
Stuart Turley [00:38:23] Right.
Debra Wold [00:38:24] She can get all her classes done in a four hour period with 15 minute breaks in between. Right. So you’re gaining back that time with your child, number one.
Stuart Turley [00:38:36] Yeah.
Debra Wold [00:38:37] Number two, you don’t have all these, you know, get on the bus, do all these things like that. So you’re also incorporating trust with you and your child.
Stuart Turley [00:38:46] Right.
Debra Wold [00:38:47] Because.
Stuart Turley [00:38:48] Go ahead. I this is cool. But socialization is huge because we have generation.
Debra Wold [00:38:53] Um. Very good.
Stuart Turley [00:38:54] Got their head, you know, like this.
Debra Wold [00:38:57] Yeah.
Stuart Turley [00:38:58] And so, uh, socialization. Ah. There’s a if I remember right, I had a lot of friends, uh, at our church that did the homeschool and they had homeschool, uh, parties and this kind of stuff, so. Uh, I’m sure you’re an expert on home school parties. Yes.
Debra Wold [00:39:19] Yeah. There is no, you know, limitation in socializing. My daughter can communicate with executives. She was actually have one of my board meetings. It was so funny. She was seven years old, and we were sitting at the board meeting with all these big wigs. You know, we’re talking the business. And we got into a loggerhead because we were arguing with each other or disagreeing with each other on a big topic. My daughter’s homeschooling, working on her computer, cause she was with me that day, and she looks up and she’s like. So what’s the real problem here? Is it because you don’t like each other? Or is it because you can’t come to a common solution? Seven years old. Nice critical thinking, right? Yeah. We all laugh and we look at each other going, well, there really is no problem. I think it’s more the fact that one of us wants to be right. So you have a seven year old who’s learning these skills, right? In her home schooling. She picked yourself. You looked up at us and said, hey, what do you do? You basically wake up, what are you doing? Right. And she identified two topics that none of us were picking on. We’re picking up on. Right. We saw the problem after that. So there’s no issue with socializing. They’re intelligent, articulate. They can explain things very clearly. They can. She’s very nurturing. Two because when you’re in homeschooling, there’s over 4000 families in our particular area, that home school. We have sports teams. We have all kinds of things going on right now. There’s nothing that is limited in what we can do.
Stuart Turley [00:40:49] Well, hey, Debra, last closing thoughts here. Um, uh, how do we get in touch with you and how do people find you?
Debra Wold [00:40:58] Okay, so I’m on LinkedIn, um, under Grenelily, energy and water. Debra Wold. And we do have a website, but it’s under construction right now. But, uh, we’ll be bringing out our great things that are coming up, and, um. You can post it on your site somewhere.
Stuart Turley [00:41:13] Oh, absolutely. That sounds fantastic. For everybody listening. Thank you all very much for stopping by the podcast. And Debra is always welcome back and thank you so much. We’ll talk again soon Debra.
Debra Wold [00:41:26] Sounds good. Thank you. Sure.
